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Hill fits this team better. been saying it for a while, and was su ious that that would be the case when the Spurs brought RJ in. it takes absolutely nothing away from Parker to say that. he contributed to three championships and won a Finals MVP, and the Spurs wouldn't have won w/o him, but this is clearly a different team. i don't know why people use that as an argument when it is irrelevent.
i've said it for a while that RJ's and Parker's style of play don't mesh well together. both of them on the floor together provides the Spurs with only one perimiter jumpshooter. the Spurs have always had at least two out there in all their championships. it been a theme in system. the 3-ball has been as important to the Spurs success over the years as defense. it's not only the three point shot, it's the spacing that allows others to operate when it's a threat.
We're not getting rid of Parker just so Richard Jefferson can fit better..it's a moot point anyways..if the Spurs want to be a contender next year, they have to hope somebody trades for Jefferson's expiring contract anyways..he's not a player that can play championship-level basketball..
I’m new to the board and of late I keep reading ‘have you forgotten that Tony won us 3 rings’
No we haven’t the man was a machine……’was’ a machine…….still is from time to time don’t get me wrong, and maybe at 100% still is all the time.
But we need to look at the now and if our best team is without him then that’s our best team.
We seem to be playing pretty good Basketball right now.
On a side note: If we keep the mind set of ‘this is what they did for us in the past, so we must keep playing them’ we’ll end up with a team of 40yo getting killed out there.
This is not the case now TP still has heaps to give, but may not be the best PG for this team to succeed in 2010.
With TP fit we have 2 outstanding units
Duncan, TP + who cares 3x3point shooters would work best
Manu, Hairston, RJ, Blair, Bonner/Dice
Last edited by Waps1980; 03-16-2010 at 09:33 PM.
The Spurs have beaten the Knicks, Twolves, Clippers, and Heat. They lost to the one good team- the Cavs.
This is true. It pisses me off when people point the finger at Timmy because he has been busting his ass this Season.
Duncan has by far the best overall defensive numbers on the team when it comes to advanced stats and importance..it's pretty laughable that somebody would say our D is better without him, the stats show(not that we needed stats for this) that our D is much worse without him on the floor..
His minutes have been "limited" during this "hot stretch" because the games have been blowouts at certain points of the games..obviously..
The OP seems to ignore the opponents during this span too..his post was just so full of fail in every possible way..
I called that game an adjustment game because Manu was starting and was the PG so he had to do some adjustment to his game, also nobody else stepped up to the challenge besides Manu,Blair and Hill.
Now that the adjustment have been made I think they can win some more games to move up in the standing.
Yeah, because there aren't a thousand posts from people here saying Manu "sucked" and "let the team down" for two straight years when he had a great 2008 season and first two rounds of the playoffs. All people remember is the Lakers series.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't half the board want Manu traded like three months ago? People who are ripping Tony now don't want him traded as far as I know. I sure don't. I just want him to play better defense when he comes back, and I think since his stamina and rhythm won't be there and the team will have a set rotation going into the playoffs, it'd be smart to have him come off the bench in a Vinny Johnson role.
Just because you can type the word "fail" doesnt make it so.
Where did I ever say any of that bull ? I never said we were better off without Timmy. Can you ing read? I said he isn't playing good D. If your putting words in my mouth, I'm starting to not like you Harlem.
The fact is our team is coming together now, after months of searching. That strongly implies that Manu is the gel these guys needed, and that watching guys struggle with Tony at the helm is no coincidence.
he can play better. if he is hurt, then he gets a pass.
Are you serious right now?..
The Spurs won 3 quality games before Parker hurt his hand, with Tony having 3 big games..so now that they've beaten some bad teams without him, they're "gelling"? LOL..please..
After months of searching, the Spurs now have it together by beating New York, Minnesota, the Clippers and a horribly inconsistent Miami team?..damn, what a stretch..LOL..
You also clearly said that the defense got better partly because Duncan's minutes have been limited, which you can't possibly back up with any facts..as I said, Duncan has the best defensive numbers on the team from both an individual standpoint and an importance standpoint..his minutes were lower because the games were blowouts, due to facing poor teams and Duncan being on the floor while the game was being blown out by the Spurs..
What stats are you referring to?
And as for our team, we are playing D, playing with heart, playing to win...not rolling over and dying on a regular basis. Early in the season we won games by the skin of our teeth that we should have won big. I dont even call those wins. When we play hard like tonight, I dont care who we play Im proud of our guys. They dug in, limited Wade, held Miami to 38-39%, and I am proud of the performance. Timmy struggled with his shot but stuck with it as well.
We played the right way. The Spurs way. Defense and execution and grit. Remind me, which of those things is Parker known for? Maybe execution.
Fact is, if we play the rest of the season with heart, I dont care how we finish Ill be proud of our team. And if I think we can do better, Ill say it without hesitation, I dont care who wears the number on the jersey.
As for Duncan, I think he is hurt. But I also think he is going through the motions at times. I would venture to say that he feels hopeless with this squad, too hopeless to sell out with what little health he has left. I hope that changes.
But it has taken young guys who have something at stake to remind what defense from a Spurs squad looks like. And thats ing fact. Spin it how you like, but we havent played team D all year. And Tim and Tony are a HUGE 2/5's of the team.
Last edited by Parker2112; 03-16-2010 at 11:09 PM.
i don't know if you are responding to my post here, but i'm guessing you are.
anyway, i never suggested to trade Parker. i would rather trade RJ because it's obvious he's the better talent of the two and not to mention less money.
imo one of them needs to go and it'll be RJ. he'll probably be somewhat of a commodity next year (isn't he an expiring contract).
the Spurs need two 3-point threats on the perimiter for their offense to work though. unless they find a way to make their offense work with both of them on the floor, leaving behind their old recipe for success for a new one, then okay, but it's not going to happen. there's a reason it didn't happen all season. it had nothing to do with an adjustment period. that's a load of bull and a way thinking that stems from a biased optimism. there games are completely incompatible and neither one of them can help it. that's where the FO needs to step up to the plate and fixt it by trading RJ because like you said he's not worth trading parker for. that's just re ed, obviously.
RJ needs to be gotten rid of for a defender/3-point threat (AKA Bruce Bowen part II)
I actually think best case scenario is take the ball out of Parker's hands, make him a shooting guard, let someone else facilitate the offense, and let Tony have plays run just for him. Stop with the drive and kick, Im tired of having off nights, stop with the two man game, teams have us planned to a T.
Benching Parker works for me to, but I'm in the minority I know.
To refresh your memory. First 20 seconds.
I forgot that stuff like that ever happened. It certainly didnt happen last year. Nor this one.
This plan might be a good solution.
That's why I didn't bother arguing with rockyroads. Parker has never matched up with typical PG's that well...but he usually does match up with smaller 2 guards or bigger pg's...it's weird because you would think Parker would do better in speed on speed matchups but he actually does better against guys that attempt to muscle him.
Tony is a lot stronger and tougher than people give him credit for, mentally and physically...
And the fact that people want to throw Tony under the bus now that's he's a little beat up after hitting the floor and taking more punishment in the paint than any PG in the league the last 10 years is pretty weak.
Tony is very capable defender and I'd say for most of his career he's been the second best perimeter defender on the team after Bowen....
Keep in mind, the Spurs had one of the great defensive runs in NBA history up until about 2 years ago and Parker was a huge reason for that. He matches up with bigger stronger guards well and he sticks to the system...add all that to the fact that he pulled of the freak accomplishment of leading the NBA in points in the paint and is fearless about taking it to the hoop...and he's an awesome player and there is no way in we will get anyone better than he is.
He and Manu are different types of players, yes Manu does a better job of making other players better, but Tony Parker is one of the most dominant matchups in the league on an indivual level. The media would never shut about Tony if he played for a big market team. He'd be the most hyped point guard in the league if he played in NY or LA.
Spurs are definately better with Manu running point. He's unselfish, makes the passes, penetrates, scores. Parker is dribble into the paint, put it up get ball stripped, doesn't look for the open man and stalls the team out. Jefferson is putting up better numbers now too concidently with Manu running the point.
Wow, some of the opinions in this thread are completely asinine. Why would people reallly want to make Parker a 6th man or a SG, when he's been the most consistent player-maker on this team throughout his career (he averaged a career-high 6.9 APG last season while being the #1 offensive threat)? Say what you will about Parker's court-vision and passing skills, but he's always been better than Manu at making the safe pass and creating for others. He's going through the toughest season of his career, after coming off of a superb '09 season, due in large part to injuries. I've been just a disappointed in his overall play this year, but we've seen him play at an incredible levels before. So, diminishing his role to back-up for Hill, especially when Hill doesn't represent the vaunted "pure pass-first" PG that the haters clamor for, doesn't make sense when Parker is superior in ever aspect of the game.
Parker was supposed to continue his evolution into the #1 scoring option prior to the season, but injuries changed the team's plans. Whatever happens positively the rest of the season is gravy, and shouldn't reflect on Parker, Timmy or Manu, IMO. If the cast returns virtually intact next season, Pop should still go ahead with his plans for Tony. People need to realize that Duncan, Parker and Ginobili co-existed on this team prior to any of these current players playing here, so they should be adjusting to the Big 3, not the Big adjusting to them.
Please, that's while using a very small sample-size and against weak-mediocre opponents. And, Hill has been sharing the PG duties with Manu, and we all saw how Brooks lit Hill up a couple weeks ago. A player that Tony, when healthy, usually destroys when his matched up against him.Spurs are definately better with Manu running point. He's unselfish, makes the passes, penetrates, scores. Parker is dribble into the paint, put it up get ball stripped, doesn't look for the open man and stalls the team out. Jefferson is putting up better numbers now too concidently with Manu running the point.
Also, Tony has always been good at picking his spots. Sometimes to the detriment of the team, when he's hot early, cool's off because his teammates throw-up bricks off his passes, then he stops penetrating and attacking the paint.
Last edited by J_Paco; 03-17-2010 at 01:17 AM.
I'm a Manu fan, but i also like TP. I don't think TP is a weak defender, maybe only this season because he's still hurting. The big 3 have their own strengths and weaknesses, but they complement each other to give the spurs their strength.
Times change brah. We are no longer speaking of 2003-2007, the years of the Spurs dynasty. The two man game between Parker and Duncan doesn't work as efficiently as it used to, due to injuries and Duncan getting older. Before we needed TP to score at will because nobody outside of the big 3 could score if their life depended on it. The team was built that way, and it played up to Parker's strength, which is putting pressure on the defense by penetrating, score or dish. Now, 2010, we have players who could score in a variety of ways and with more diverse skill-sets. We need the 2010 on onwards Parker to be a facilitator and play defense. Nothing more, nothing less! I rather go out and experiment with new offensive and defensive schemes, rather than the Spurs 2 man dominated offense that hasn't worked consistently in the playoffs for like 3 years now.(It seems like the the Spurs 2 man game = the Spurs 4 down of the late 90's/early 2000's?) How do you'll know Parker off the bench will not work??? It has never been tried. Stranger things have happened in the NBA!
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