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    Nellieball = 1-12 in conference championship games against teams with big men.
    Bird and Duncan are overrated. If Nellie had played Shaun Bradley and Alton Lister more they'd never have won anything.

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    Run n Gun never won .
    The concept for this gimmicky-fan friendly-style dictates that you DO NOT put the emphasis on doing the little things it takes to win les.....and conversely it DOES DICTATE that you put smaller,quicker shooters on the floor....which renders your squad ineffective to do the little things it takes to win les even if you tried.

    The 80's Champion LAKERS being run n gun is a fallacy. First of all,they had a PG who could guard 4 positions on the floor. Second,(and pay attention here)...they played defense and they played it well. Sure they got alot of transistion points but they also knew how to get stops when asked to do so.
    I watched the games & unfortunately i remember.

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    Bird and Duncan are overrated. If Nellie had played Shaun Bradley and Alton Lister more they'd never have won anything.
    Really?

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    I was being sarcastic. Every time Nelson had quality bigs he played them. Of course he'd play Kareena.

    Run n Gun never won .
    The concept for this gimmicky-fan friendly-style dictates that you DO NOT put the emphasis on doing the little things it takes to win les.....and conversely it DOES DICTATE that you put smaller,quicker shooters on the floor....which renders your squad ineffective to do the little things it takes to win les even if you tried.

    The 80's Champion LAKERS being run n gun is a fallacy. First of all,they had a PG who could guard 4 positions on the floor. Second,(and pay attention here)...they played defense and they played it well. Sure they got alot of transistion points but they also knew how to get stops when asked to do so.
    I watched the games & unfortunately i remember.
    Magic never played defence at his position, let alone at 4 different ones.

    What is a fallacy is to equate "fast pace offence" to "no defence".

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    The franchise earned a decade of TV time a couple years back

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    lol mavs

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    I was being sarcastic. Every time Nelson had quality bigs he played them. Of course he'd play Kareena.



    Magic never played defence at his position, let alone at 4 different ones.

    What is a fallacy is to equate "fast pace offence" to "no defence".
    It's in my post. The part that isn't about Magic Johnson.
    Here:
    The concept for this gimmicky-fan friendly-style dictates that you DO NOT put the emphasis on doing the little things it takes to win les.....and conversely it DOES DICTATE that you put smaller,quicker shooters on the floor....which renders your squad ineffective to do the little things it takes to win les even if you tried.
    Magic never played any defense? Again...really? He didn't take home any DPOY awards but I was referring to his size and relitive agility for such a big man..... which allowed him to guard many players on the floor at any particular time. Just because i said he can guard 4 positions on the floor isn't a statement that he was a defensive juggernaut.

    In reference to fun n gun and PG's.....having a 6'9" Magic as opposed to say.....Steve Nash or Tim Hardaway is an obvious advantage defensively whether or not he's a dfensive stopper wouldn't you say?

    For anyone to say that the 80's LakeShow teams weren't solid defensively is probably just locked into the highlight reels of the era IMO.

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    Run n Gun never won .
    The concept for this gimmicky-fan friendly-style dictates that you DO NOT put the emphasis on doing the little things it takes to win les.....and conversely it DOES DICTATE that you put smaller,quicker shooters on the floor....which renders your squad ineffective to do the little things it takes to win les even if you tried.

    The 80's Champion LAKERS being run n gun is a fallacy. First of all,they had a PG who could guard 4 positions on the floor. Second,(and pay attention here)...they played defense and they played it well. Sure they got alot of transistion points but they also knew how to get stops when asked to do so.
    I watched the games & unfortunately i remember.
    The 80s championship Lakers teams were generally awesome offensive teams, OK defensive teams:

    87-88: #2 ORtg, #9 DRtg
    86-87: #1 ORtg, #7 DRtg
    84-85: #1 ORtg, #7 DRtg
    81-82: #2 ORtg, #10 DRtg
    79-80: #1 ORtg, #9 DRtg

    Those rankings are very similar to the great Suns teams of a few years ago.

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    none shall pass SomeCallMeTim's Avatar
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    For anyone to say that the 80's LakeShow teams weren't solid defensively is probably just locked into the highlight reels of the era IMO.
    They were solid, just not great defensively. Their unstoppable offense is what set them apart. Run-n-gun philosophy definitely a big part of that.

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    It's in my post. The part that isn't about Magic Johnson.
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    Magic never played any defense? Again...really? He didn't take home any DPOY awards but I was referring to his size and relitive agility for such a big man..... which allowed him to guard many players on the floor at any particular time. Just because i said he can guard 4 positions on the floor isn't a statement that he was a defensive juggernaut.

    In reference to fun n gun and PG's.....having a 6'9" Magic as opposed to say.....Steve Nash or Tim Hardaway is an obvious advantage defensively whether or not he's a dfensive stopper wouldn't you say?

    For anyone to say that the 80's LakeShow teams weren't solid defensively is probably just locked into the highlight reels of the era IMO.
    Dude, Magic was a sieve. Like one of the worst defenders in the league bad. There wasn't an ounce of defensive awareness in Magic. Hardaway was miles better than him, in spite of his height (plus Hardaway is underrated defensively because he played in an era with plenty of great defensive 1-guards).

    The Lakers defence was average, like the Suns defence. Even their points per possession allowed is similar.

    Anyway, this is beyond the point: when Nelson had good defensive players playing for him, guys like Moncrief and Pressey, he coached some of the best defensive teams in the history of the league.

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