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    We're not a better team without a healthy TP, but we are a better team without a constantly injured, in and out of the lineup TP. Players need some continuity to know what is expected of them, and all of TP's injuries were messing up the rotations.
    We just beat ty teams...
    No but RJ plays better..
    I don't see how losing an all-star caliber player could make a team better.
    The Spurs beat New York, Minnesota and the Clippers without him..seriously, think about the opponents first..
    spurs are definitely better with tp than without. he's got to be one of the most offensively-efficient guards in the league.

    however, rj and tp should rarely be on the court together at the same time. rj needs someone to set him up, and a lot of shots to be effective. and tp is not good at setting up others, and is most effective when he's taking a lot of shots.
    good try but...no
    Tony was actually looking like last year's TP when he returned following the Houston game, people seem to have forgotten this already..

    The Spurs went 3-0 in those games against Phoenix and twice vs. the Hornets..he was 23 for 38 from the field in those games with his usual assist production and a lot less turnovers than we've seen from him this season..
    These !!

    STalkers are so predictable... it's actually funnier than ridiculous!!

    ... and this thread is REALLY RIDICULOUS...

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    The Spurs beat the Clippers by 30 points with Tim Duncan playing only 13 min.
    It's clear that Duncan is not useful anymore to that team.
    It's time to trade him, the Spurs can easily win the le without him.

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    The Spurs beat New York, Minnesota and the Clippers without him..seriously, think about the opponents first..
    NY just beat the #3 seeded Mavs by 34. I wouldn't say we better but without him others get more involed. I rather that then to have him running a 1 man fastbreak with blinders on. ty teams or not you see want RJ could do with the ball in the right spot. If anything these game are gerat confidence builders. 1 more thing to point out, we are winning games we pose to win. We wasn't doing that at first. Hariston wouldn't get to play either if Parker didn't go down. That boy hungry.

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    NY just beat the #3 seeded Mavs by 34. I wouldn't say we better but without him others get more involed. I rather that then to have him running a 1 man fastbreak with blinders on. ty teams or not you see want RJ could do with the ball in the right spot. If anything these game are gerat confidence builders. 1 more thing to point out, we are winning games we pose to win. We wasn't doing that at first. Hariston wouldn't get to play either if Parker didn't go down. That boy hungry.

    NY beat the Mavs ONLY because there were humiliate at home (50pts loss!!!)
    if the play again 10 times, they'll probably loose 9...

    Hairston playing time has more to do with Finley gone than with Tony injury...

    G Hill can have some goods games (against bad teams?) at PG, but it's a no brainer for whoever watch the spurs, that he DOESN'T HAVE better playmaking skills than Tony...

    WHERE IS TIMVP ??????
    WHAT ABOUT RAISING THE BAR???????????

    I'm starting to think that we should in fact trade Tony...... for his best!!!
    ST is full of amnesic fans...

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    Yes.

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    The Spurs beat the Clippers by 30 points with Tim Duncan playing only 13 min.
    It's clear that Duncan is not useful anymore to that team.
    It's time to trade him, the Spurs can easily win the le without him.

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    i think ure the one who fails by failing to see his sarcasm.

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    No theyre not. Not without an incoming player in return which an injury doesnt provide. I am however in the small boat of Spur fans that think trading Parker for an all-star caliber big man, and allowing GHill to take the reins as PG would make us better.

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    Tony has had a bad season (for him) because he has not been healthy at any point of the season.

    I would favor hanging on to him next year unless a team got crazy and offered a big package. Tony could easily come back next year and be an All Star caliber player again - he's still only 28 years old.

    The Spurs are trying to get younger and Tony is still young enough.

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    The joke went completely over my head.

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    The Spurs beat the Clippers by 30 points with Tim Duncan playing only 13 min.
    It's clear that Duncan is not useful anymore to that team.
    It's time to trade him, the Spurs can easily win the le without him.
    Quick, let's get Lebron for him before the other GMs figure it out!

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    We just beat ty teams...
    At least they weren't losses to ty team.

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    spurs are losing to magic and lost to the cavs
    the only 2 decent teams spurs have faced without tp

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    Well if TP would stop facebooking....

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    duncan also has sucked ass since tp has quit spoon feeding him

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    Who facebook's the most? TP or Manu?

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    your mommy

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    How dare you.

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    ducks is as good an argument for eugenics as you'll get.

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    am sorry if this is already there...but are we better without TP??or its just the teams we play are bad????and spurs also climbed up the western by one which puts them at 6th spot....
    no better no

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    Of course we are no better, we need him to play, i don't think that if he starts or plays of the bench is nearly as important as if he plays.
    Be it with the first unit (Duncan-Manu) or the Second (Blair), he has players he can make great combinations.
    The fact that he is not playing hurts as more than the very arguable benefits we get of Manu starting for him.
    I can argue that Manu is a better facilitator than Tony, but Hill?
    Please stop this nonsense of Hill being the next Rajon Rondo. Hill is not near that level offensively nor defensively, and FOR SURE, not assisting others.
    In that aspect he is THE SAME as TP, and SG turned into a PG.

    Look at Hill running the Pick n roll, or making though passes... turnover.
    If Hill was that great of a player then he and Blair would have the same chamistry as Manu and Blair or he woul have the same chemistry as TP and TD. He gets a lot of assists on kickouts, but he is not a creator still. He can develop, but as of now, Hill is as good as Tony, at best, in that aspect. Not better by any standars.

    And i mean Manu is a better facilitator than Tony because he finds pople that almost no one can find, no because he assists more than Tony. I feel that Tony assists are more safe-basics.

    Assists Per 48 minutes (to make everyone even)
    30 Tony Parker , SAS 8.7
    36 Manu Ginobili , SAS 8.2
    113 George Hill , SAS 4.5

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    Assists Per 48 minutes (to make everyone even)
    30 Tony Parker , SAS 8.7
    36 Manu Ginobili , SAS 8.2
    113 George Hill , SAS 4.5

    This argument is not very accurate because per 48 minutes for Hill includes him playing SG when TP was in. I'd like to know those stats in games with TP out and him running the PG.

    I's also say TP's assists are mainly from drives and kick outs for what has been 3 pointers for many years. Our 3 point game is not what it was.

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    This argument is not very accurate because per 48 minutes for Hill includes him playing SG when TP was in. I'd like to know those stats in games with TP out and him running the PG.

    I's also say TP's assists are mainly from drives and kick outs for what has been 3 pointers for many years. Our 3 point game is not what it was.
    Yeah, because Hill gets a lot of different kind of assists.. give me a break, Manu also shares court with TP and he handles twice the assists Hill handles.

    For the last 9 games Hill averages 4.8 assists, is now Manu's fault? or no... he played with TP.

    For his last 6 games (no TP) Hill is at 5.8 in 36 minutes. Parker averages 5.7 in 31 minutes (for the season).

    Manu is at 4.7 in 27.7 mins for the season and 4.4 in 27.1 for the last 5.

    So, Hill for the last five games, is still 0.1 behind Parker with 5 more on court minutes and 1.1 above Ginobili with 8.3 more minutes.

    Again, Ginobili and Parker are counting on season averages which are harder to mantain and a larger sample size.

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    Cheers for the stats interesting to know.
    Only thought TP would have limited him, Manu would also limit TP as they all do each other sharing the PG role.

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    no. no. NO.

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