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    What does a supporting cast have to do with anything? Dirk is the #1 guy and didn't deliver a championship. He's a failure as a #1.

    If Dirk had Paul Pierce to pick up the slack like he did when KG needed him to then they would have won in 2006. That's what Findog was trying to say.

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    If Dirk had Paul Pierce to pick up the slack like he did when KG needed him to then they would have won in 2006. That's what Findog was trying to say.
    I know... Just sarcasticly repeating one of the rants about how Kobe wasn't as a #1 because he couldn't take Smush and company past round 1. It's funny how the criteria and observations change when it's "your" guy under the microscope.

    I have a lot of respect for Dirk.

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    What does a supporting cast have to do with anything?
    Nothing at all, which is why Kobe led the Lakers to the championship in 2005, 2006 and 2007.

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    I know... Just sarcasticly repeating one of the rants about how Kobe wasn't as a #1 because he couldn't take Smush and company past round 1. It's funny how the criteria and observations change when it's "your" guy under the microscope.

    I have a lot of respect for Dirk.
    Ah, I see, you were being sarcastic.

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    and unfortunately I feel Dirk has already proven he isn't capable of leading a team to a championship. he choked away the 06 Finals. end of story.

    tell me all about that fadeaway over shaq. then shove it up your ass. Dirk's choking came well before game 5 or 6. it came in game 3, when the team was about to go up 3-0 in the series, and instead of stepping on Miami's throat and ending the series right there, Dirk (along with the rest of the team) got scared, played scared, and let the Heat back into the series.

    I feel strongly that if the Mavs are ever back in that position, the same thing will happen again. They just don't have the killer instinct to do it. Even after this trade I feel that way.

    But I hope like Dirk proves me wrong, and I'll continue to expect something which I don't believe has a chance in of happening.
    How is that proof that Dirk can't lead a team to a championship? By that logic Kobe proved in Game 4 of the 2008 Finals he was incapable of leading a team to a championship... only to do so a year later.

    Mavs were robbed in 2006, end of story. Nobody's talking about "choke" if not for the slanted officiating.

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    Dirk has always been unfortunate with his supporting cast. He never had a veteran championship caliber floor general like Fisher, nor a Top 10 player sidekick like Gasol and a legit 20 and 10 seven footer like Bynum.

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    Dirk has always been unfortunate with his supporting cast. He never had a veteran championship caliber floor general like Fisher, nor a Top 10 player sidekick like Gasol and a legit 20 and 10 seven footer like Bynum.
    Kidd says hi.

    PG position has always been fine for Dirk.

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    Kidd says hi.

    PG position has always been fine for Dirk.
    Kidd never won a championship.

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    Kidd never won a championship.
    Q: What makes a championship-caliber PG?

    A: A PG who wins a championship.


    Ergo, Fisher is a championship-caliber PG; Kidd is not.

    Therefore, Fisher >>> Kidd.

    Circular reasoning at its finest.

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    Yeah Dirk vs. Kobe, great contest in general slant. It gotta arise a lot of screams to compare the best two shooting guards in NBA. Undoubtedly Dirk and Kobe are the best guys at this position, with Durant counted as a SF and D-Wade considered a whining hussy .

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    How is that proof that Dirk can't lead a team to a championship? By that logic Kobe proved in Game 4 of the 2008 Finals he was incapable of leading a team to a championship... only to do so a year later.

    Mavs were robbed in 2006, end of story. Nobody's talking about "choke" if not for the slanted officiating.
    the Lakers never had a death grip on the series. You're ing re ed if you think Kobe getting beat by a better team is anything like Dirk choking against a far inferior team.

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    Q: What makes a championship-caliber PG?

    A: A PG who wins a championship.


    Ergo, Fisher is a championship-caliber PG; Kidd is not.

    Therefore, Fisher >>> Kidd.

    Circular reasoning at its finest.
    ChrisRichards has mastered illogical circular reasoning. Nevermind that Kidd is a shoe in for the HOF and Fisher could not even sniff the door. Reality is secondary in his reasoning skills. Right behind lying.

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    Q: What makes a championship-caliber PG?

    A: A PG who wins a championship.

    Ergo, Fisher is a championship-caliber PG; Kidd is not.

    Therefore, Fisher >>> Kidd.

    Circular reasoning at its finest.
    Fishers clutch shooting and leadership has made the Lakers better and alas a Champion. Kidd is the better individual player, but it does'nt mean he's as instrumental as Fisher in clutch situations.

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    ChrisRichards has mastered illogical circular reasoning. Nevermind that Kidd is a shoe in for the HOF and Fisher could not even sniff the door. Reality is secondary in his reasoning skills. Right behind lying.
    You're a dumbass at best.

    "37%>48%


    Regular season stats>Playoff stats"

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    the Lakers never had a death grip on the series. You're ing re ed if you think Kobe getting beat by a better team is anything like Dirk choking against a far inferior team.
    we're just talking about one game samples here not the entire series... Dirk's choke in Game 3 isn't much worse than Kobe's choke in Game 4... also the Celtics lacked a player as dynamic as D-Whistle.

    The Celtics were the better team therefore won the series though... but we're not talking about Game 3 if J-Ho makes FT's down the stretch of Game 5, Salvatore doesn't blow his cursed whistle, Dirks teammates dont shoot 33% in Game 6... a few bounces of the ball go different or if the refs call it less lopsided and Game 3 is forgotten in the pages of time.
    JMHO

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    what holds dirk back from winning a le in most years as best player on team:

    A. marginal defensive impact and playmaking abilities-low assist numbers, not a good perimeter defender or interior defender
    B. his rosters have been good, but not great-has really never played next to an all-NBA caliber teammate in his prime
    C. theres better players- assuming he had an equal supporting cast to a guy like lebron or kobe, kobe/lebrons team would win the series. in a league where superstars reign supreme, its not enough just to be a top 5 player in the leaggue... you have to be a top 2 player in the league and dirk isnt that. of course there are exceptions to this though ('04 Pistons, '08 Celtics) but generally speaking.

    but I wouldnt throw in lack of killer instinct here... it could very well be that dirk DOES have the killer instinct, just not the supreme talent required to carry a team to a le.

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    You're a dumbass at best.

    "37%>48%


    Regular season stats>Playoff stats"

    -I suck Cobblers regularly 03/12/2010
    Thank you for proving my point. You made up those numbers and in your circular logic tried to attribute the above fabricated comment to me. An outright lie. You ChrisRichards are a piece of liar at best. And everyone here knows it. Fixed it again for ya!

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    this is a very tough time to win a le in the league... having to go through kobe AND lebron both with very good rosters and home court is extremely difficult. what made 2005-2007 a soft time in the NBA was Kobe/Lebron/KG being stranded on weak rosters, and a slew of next generation superstars hadn't completely emerged yet (Roy/CpWhistle/Deron/Durant/Melo)...

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    Thank you for proving my point. You made up those numbers and in your circular logic tried to attribute the above fabricated comment to me. An outright lie. You ChrisRichards are a piece of liar at best. And everyone here knows it. Fixed it again for ya!
    I dont have to make up a story to prove your stupidity at its highest level. You dug yourself a big hole, there's no way you can recover from that. EVER. Now go ahead put your Kobe jersey, look at a mirror and touch yourself.


    "37%>48%

    Regular Season stats>Playoff Stats"


    - Cobbler 03/12/10




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    what holds dirk back from winning a le in most years as best player on team:

    A. marginal defensive impact and playmaking abilities-low assist numbers, not a good perimeter defender or interior defender
    B. his rosters have been good, but not great-has really never played next to an all-NBA caliber teammate in his prime
    C. theres better players- assuming he had an equal supporting cast to a guy like lebron or kobe, kobe/lebrons team would win the series. in a league where superstars reign supreme, its not enough just to be a top 5 player in the leaggue... you have to be a top 2 player in the league and dirk isnt that. of course there are exceptions to this though ('04 Pistons, '08 Celtics) but generally speaking.

    but I wouldnt throw in lack of killer instinct here... it could very well be that dirk DOES have the killer instinct, just not the supreme talent required to carry a team to a le.
    Well said.

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    I dont have to make up a story to prove your stupidity at its highest level. You dug yourself a big hole, there's no way you can recover from that. EVER. Now go ahead put your Kobe jersey, look at a mirror and touch yourself.


    "37%>48%

    Regular Season stats>Playoff Stats"


    - Cobbler 03/12/10



    Ok smartass.... Let's see you prove that I made those comments and you didn't make them up.

    You show me where I said that and I will send you 1,000.00 cash and never post on this board again. You are quoting me with your personal slam on my screename as saying:

    "37%>48%"
    "Regular Season stats>Playoff Stats"

    Show me exactly where I said that and you can cash in and I'll be gone.

    Time to put up or STFU.

    But we know you can't... so here comes another BS lie or some semantic backpeddling.

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    because he is better than Pau, you ing idiot.
    ISnt that what I said or can you NOT FREAKING read ...

    Gosh the intelligence level on this board...I give your player a compliment defend him as NOT a choker and this is the sophmoric post I get.

    Enjoy the asswhippin come playoff time ....GENIUS!!!

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    You know that thread, so pull it up, prove your innocence and give me my cash money

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    bbler, just answer the question since I know you're going to wuss out and not pull that thread. Was Ariza a better and much more valuable shooter for the Lakers last year than Artest with the Lakers this season


    I know what's going to be your answer, and eitherway you're screwed

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    You know that thread, so pull it up, prove your innocence and give me my cash money
    Nice try... show me where i said it. Come on liar. You have no problem dissing me and attributing a quote to me with your made up words... so show me and cash in.

    You cant. Because you are as i posted earlier... at best... a liar.

    Please.... show us all where I typed those comments!
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