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    "The federal No Child Left Behind education act is dead. President Barack Obama drove a stake through its heart this week."



    http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03...o-replace.html

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    That's great news! No Child Left Behind took schools that needed more resources and gave them less. Finally, they're doing something about it.

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    Federal regs for local schools being re-written, again, yawn.

    American Imperial Empire is in full decline, and failure of American kids to do their homework and compete with other nations in school achievement is a sure sign of dumbed down America, with citizens stupid enough to be passive spenders, consumers, fat-ass overeaters, self-sickening calves for their financial slaughter by for-profit health ripoff, eternally non-vigilant, and dupes for the kleptocratic plutocracy.

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    That's great news! No Child Left Behind took schools that needed more resources and gave them less. Finally, they're doing something about it.
    Do you have an exact example of a school?

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    I am going to guess you used a purposefully re ed headline on purpose.

    If one were to actually read the op-ed piece you cite, not even it supports the headline.

    Why did you post a lie in the thread le?

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    Deceptive thread le. The article is actually about Obama following Texas' lead on fixing NCLB's problems. The biggest issue was that NCLB taught to the test - new initiatives focus on college and career prep.

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    Do you have an exact example of a school?
    I'm betting you don't know many teachers.

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    Report: Obama is a foreign born terrarist who may turn out to be teh anti-christ!!!

    www.cbn.com

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    Do you have an exact example of a school?
    My spouse is a teacher and thinks that teaching to pass a test isn't the best use of their or their students time.


    As earlier stated, you must not know many teachers becasue all of the one's I know think the testing they do now sucks.

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    I remember one complaint about SA St Mary's Univ Law School was that it taught law only to pass the TX bar exam. Still true?

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    Many Republicans, Democrats, the left, the right, education experts, state officials, teachers (and, more importantly, their unions) and school administrators hated it

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    My spouse is a teacher and thinks that teaching to pass a test isn't the best use of their or their students time.


    As earlier stated, you must not know many teachers becasue all of the one's I know think the testing they do now sucks.
    Exactly. NCLB took this to a new level. It needs work and I'm glad Obama is working with it.

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    My spouse is a teacher and thinks that teaching to pass a test isn't the best use of their or their students time.


    As earlier stated, you must not know many teachers becasue all of the one's I know think the testing they do now sucks.
    Yeah, I've actually heard the same thing many times.

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    I remember one complaint about SA St Mary's Univ Law School was that it taught law only to pass the TX bar exam. Still true?
    I think that's a different sort of thing. They teach to the bar because a higher bar passage rate helps their school ranking, and as a Tier 4 law school, that's going to be their focus.

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    deceptive le, but i wouldn't expect less from a guy who looks like bin laden's nephew.

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    so when he tries to fix other bush era cluster s are we going to see other deceptive les? "obama hates main street" for an article about increasing consumer confidence?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    deceptive le, but i wouldn't expect less from a guy who looks like bin laden's nephew.
    The le would be perfect for Fox News.

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    I've got no problem with testing, but the objectives the powers that be expect at each grade get too difficult too soon, so kids resort to memorizing a lot of crap instead of a deeper understanding of basic concepts...

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    I'm betting you don't know many teachers.
    good answer. It takes away your need to use facts by just belittling and marginalizing me. How does my first hand experience with teachers have anything to do with you using specific examples instead of living in a straw house? wrong though.

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    good answer. It takes away your need to use facts by just belittling and marginalizing me. How does my first hand experience with teachers have anything to do with you using specific examples instead of living in a straw house? wrong though.
    I'm pretty sure knowing teachers is a good example of what is wrong with the program. I know a few teachers, and I'm a year away from becoming one and they all agree that No Child Left Behind is a joke. My cousin, also a teacher has stated that you basically have to help a failing child as much as possible short of just giving them the grade.

    For Republicans to bash this sort of thing, when their entire platform lies on not giving handouts from the government, it reeks of hypocrisy and idiocy.

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    I'm pretty sure knowing teachers is a good example of what is wrong with the program. I know a few teachers, and I'm a year away from becoming one and they all agree that No Child Left Behind is a joke. My cousin, also a teacher has stated that you basically have to help a failing child as much as possible short of just giving them the grade.

    For Republicans to bash this sort of thing, when their entire platform lies on not giving handouts from the government, it reeks of hypocrisy and idiocy.
    what republicans are you talking about?
    I know teachers who say they did not change anything of their teaching style. that it is immoral to train a child to a test. I am pretty sure an authoritarian teacher would see something differently than a libertarian teacher. just because you know one who agrees with your view point doesn't show any facts. that was my point that you replied to.

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    Teachers are not saints. They up too.

    We do need to grade the performance of our teachers. If a walmart stocker gets his perf graded, why not a teacher?


    I don't know what Obama is going to do, and NCLB had a good purpose, but failed because it was trying to push a free market tool, (performance grading) in a socialist system.

    Throwing money at inner city schools doesn't do either, Robin HOod failed.

    anyway the failure of our education system is never ever revealed. In primary and secondary education, teachers blame the parents. In college, professors blame the grade school teachers, and the problem is never found or solved. Maybe it's neither. Maybe it's the public education system top down.

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    anyway the failure of our education system is never ever revealed. In primary and secondary education, teachers blame the parents. In college, professors blame the grade school teachers, and the problem is never found or solved. Maybe it's neither. Maybe it's the public education system top down.
    Maybe it's a culture that doesn't trust intellectuals and doesn't value education as highly as it pretends to.

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    Maybe it's a culture that doesn't trust intellectuals and doesn't value education as highly as it pretends to.
    This is it. In America, you're a loser if you get great grades in public school. In Asia, you're a damn failure if you get anything less.

    Our culture is re ed. The dumb just breed more dumb people. The top 2% of our educational system is excellent compared to other nations and the bottom 98% sucks.

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    This is it. In America, you're a loser if you get great grades in public school. In Asia, you're a damn failure if you get anything less.

    Our culture is re ed. The dumb just breed more dumb people. The top 2% of our educational system is excellent compared to other nations and the bottom 98% sucks.
    that is a sub culture of adolescents tho. i met ALOT of parents who want their kids to be popular but never to have bad grades.

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