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Well it depends in who retires that year. It's a possibility and as you said, time will tell. For now, I take TD over anyone when he decides to retire. Same goes for KB, Shaq. So time will tell.
Well, I suppose we won't know until five years after retirement. So, in that sense it is a matter of opinion.
I believe Dirk goes in the first year he is eligible. I don't think much of an argument can be made against that proposition. There are no examples of players with his credentials that ARE NOT in the HOF.
I believe Manu belongs in the HOF, but its much easier for me to see where he would have to wait. There are no examples of players with a hybrid resume like Manu that ARE in the HOF.
Well it depends in who retires that year. It's a possibility and as you said, time will tell. For now, I take TD over anyone when he decides to retire. Same goes for KB, Shaq. So time will tell.
Time will tell.
Other players retiring the same year shouldn't affect Dirk's chances of going in on the first year of eligibility. Look at this year's inductees. Jordan, Robinson, and Stockton all retired in 2003. All went in on the first ballot. There's no particular limit or quota for each year.
Whether he gets in or not he at least has been recognized as one of the 50 Greatest contributors in Euroleague (which tells me that if he got in he would be recognized mainly for the international accomplishments). Although it's funny to also see D'Antoni get recognized as a player.
http://www.euroleague.net/history/50-years/main
I think he won't make it. If he does it would be after a long time. Sorry to say it guys but there are some great player who have not been recognized for a long time who and some who are still not recognized as of today.
So to answer the thread. Is Manu a hof? Maybe yes, but will he get in? In my opinion he won't, and if he does, it will be after a long time.
yep. they showed their love and high consideration for manu by choosing him so often for the ASG.
Still butthurt from the 2005 Finals?
Have you even checked out Petrovic's quals? His Euroleague/FIBA is about the same, and his NBA is less and he's in the hall. He died in 1993, which made him eligible in 1998, and he was voted in in 2002. My guess is that Manu also goes in somewhere in the first 5 years of his eligibility, or between 5 and 10 years after his retirement.
I think he may not have enough numbers in the end, but he is definitely one of the most unique and memmorable international players of all time. He is limited by his injuries, I don't see him lasting long. What is a no brainer is his number suspended from the rafters of the ATT center.
GO MANU GO!
I think Manu Ginobili is a HOF. Maybe not by "NBA" standards but he has 3 rings, a gold medal and is possibly one of the top 5 international players to ever play in the league. He shouldve won the MVP of the 05 Finals, and if he actually did that I think he is a first ballot.
I'm more in between on that contention. It's become much more of a joke in recent years. But it's still mostly about the fan selections on starters. Coaches still choose the other 7 players who are reserves. And in cases of injury, you can hate him all you want but, Stern generally selects deserving replacements. Sure, it's still a stats driven honor, but that's how things are in pro sports. That's life.
All star selections sometimes are a joke. I don't think it's an absolute though. And I do think it's something the HOF would look at. And, usually jokes of all star selections happen once or twice with a player. You can have a rare exception like Yao or Iverson whose fan followings make them exceptions. But for the most part, it balances out. I don't think ASG selections are an absolute joke.
Bill Bradley says hi. Not meaning that I want to compare it completely due to the different time Bradley played the game, but during his career he won these les above as well.
Not against a Dream Team...
Not a World Championship FIBA (Manu didnt won one either). But accolades are very similar (Manu has way more in MVPs in almost every international tournament he played).
If this guy is a HOF, Manu's a lock.
Manu is a lock to get in. Argentina's winning of the Gold Medal in the Olympics is the biggest international event of the last 20 years in basketball. Manu was the heart and soul of that team, and the Olympic MVP. Throw in the Bronze medal, all his success in the Euro league and the International committee of the HOF will make sure he gets in. AND when they can supplement their argument by saying "Oh, yes, and in the NBA he won 3+ les, 6th Man of the Year, was an All-star and possibly the third best 2 guard of the decade (Behind Kobe and D-wade) Note, I didn't mention AI." Manu's a lock, he's won in every league he's ever played in (unlike AI and T-Mac, so he IS the third best 2 guard of the 00's) and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a first year inductee.
I just hope we re-sign him.
He is in.
+1Manu is a lock to get in. Argentina's winning of the Gold Medal in the Olympics is the biggest international event of the last 20 years in basketball. Manu was the heart and soul of that team, and the Olympic MVP. Throw in the Bronze medal, all his success in the Euro league and the International committee of the HOF will make sure he gets in. AND when they can supplement their argument by saying "Oh, yes, and in the NBA he won 3+ les, 6th Man of the Year, was an All-star and possibly the third best 2 guard of the decade (Behind Kobe and D-wade) Note, I didn't mention AI." Manu's a lock, he's won in every league he's ever played in (unlike AI and T-Mac, so he IS the third best 2 guard of the 00's) and it wouldn't surprise me if he's a first year inductee.
I just hope we re-sign him.
An Example, Kevin McHale never won the MVP of the finals, has fewer les than Manu, but Kevin is in the Hall of Fame
Really bad example. McHale's NBA resume far exceeds Manu's. It's not even close.
McHale had one important thing in common with Manu. He cared much more about winning than individual stats or even his own health.
Only if you think NBA accomplishments matter and international ones don't.
this was a thread like 3 years ago? i guess we're resetting for the gray posters
he will make the hall of fame
international accomplishments do not matter, olympics should so he is in
nobody gives a if you made italiano liga II MVP 2000, except those idiots who put in it their sig
i have no problem with him in the hall of fame, as long as people realize its not the nba hall of fame and skin color will still help you get "international" respect in 2010 and beyond
...and he's in the HOF.
Case closed.
There was only one true Dream Team, Barcelona 92, since then, the Basket of USA is not the best in the world in absolute. The NBA has opened the doors and let the other countries to rise their level. It ended up winning games by 30 points. The final against Spain was a very evennobody gives a if you made italiano liga II MVP 2000, except those idiots who put in it their sig
Italy was sub-Olympic champion in 2004 ahead of USA. The Kinder Bologna is one of the biggest teams in Europe, you can not disregard that.
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that wasnt even the original dream team though
olympics are one thing, euro ball is another
EURO ball?, more people care about the nascar truck series
No, if Mark Aguire, Chris Mullin, Glen Rice, Mitch Richmand arent hall of famers then Manu is definitly not one.
Ive said this in the NBA forum too. Manu is a great player and had so much success in his career. I will probably get a whole wave of criticism and hate for saying this by some spurs fans but Manu is overrated. By Spurs fans, but also by others.
Don't get me wrong, im not saying he isnt a great player, because he is But there are so many who have sunglasses on when its about manu, it's like he is god. He is very popular among spurs fans, that has to do with it, some maybe get carried away because of that. He is great, but not that great how many make him.
And no, I don't hate him, nor am I French.
He should be a HOF
I don't agree with you. Manu's not overrated by SA fans (some does), and, he's usually underrated by the entire league (almost everyone does), so I don't get your point.
Besides, Lakers fans overrate KB when they state "He's better than MJ", same happens with all stars in their team, getting props and such couse they love him. It doesn't happen only couse its Manu and its SA.
P.S You don't need to say you're not French, lot of frenchs here dont give hate to Manu (some does).
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