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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    People that don't want health insurance, don't need health insurance, are now forced to pay for it....basically because a huge segment of stupid 18-25 year olds, who need health insurance less than anyone, think it's some essential need.

    The funny part is what's going to happen when they turn 27 and they figure it out.
    they'll probably realize that they need to go out and get medical insurance.

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    they'll probably realize that they need to go out and get medical insurance.
    I don't need medical insurance. Tell me, why do I need medical insurance?

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    Because all poor people are "lazy deadbeats" ?

    You need to educate yourself on the world.
    Never said all poor people are lazy deadbeats. WTF? More freaken trolls.

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    I don't need medical insurance. Tell me, why do I need medical insurance?
    Because I don't want to pay for your treatment like I do now when you drag your uninsured ass into the emergency room.

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    I don't need medical insurance. Tell me, why do I need medical insurance?
    He only knows it will be free. I don't think George owns anything. Car, house, computer, anything. Maybe he would appreciate life more if he had.

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    He only knows it will be free. I don't think George owns anything. Car, house, computer, anything. Maybe he would appreciate life more if he had.
    Find me where the bill says that coverage will be free dummy.

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    "why do I need medical insurance"

    If you seriously ask the question, then you won't listen to, or understand, the answer. dumb troll.

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    Find me where the bill says that coverage will be free dummy.
    Will they put you in jail when you still don't pay?

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    "why do I need medical insurance"

    If you seriously ask the question, then you won't listen to, or understand, the answer. dumb troll.
    Another way to reduce costs is to annul the Repugs' insane gift (and citizen screw job) to BigPharma that forbids govt from negotiating drug prices.

    Irony. You're soaking in it.

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    "why do I need medical insurance"

    If you seriously ask the question, then you won't listen to, or understand, the answer. dumb troll.
    A troll calling someone esle a troll. Sweet jesus. Where is the humanity?

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    Because I don't want to pay for your treatment like I do now when you drag your uninsured ass into the emergency room.
    Awesome, you've guaranteed yourself not having to pay for it now, haven't you?

    PS: I won't have to pay a dime for health insurance. But since you are nice enough to provide it for me, you can be sure of one thing, I am going to use it.

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    That I might have needed emegency health care is a maybe. That people that don't need it are going to pay for it is a certainty, that people that don't need to use it and haven't used it before are now going to, is also a certainty.

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    "why do I need medical insurance"

    If you seriously ask the question, then you won't listen to, or understand, the answer. dumb troll.
    Who in the are you to tell me what I need? Maybe I'll need it and maybe I won't.

    You are an abject liar to claim you know for a fact I need insurance, will need insurance. Medical care, of any kind much less emergency or catastrophic.

    You are a liar.

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    Health care reform, Just the Facts: Immediate changes, others that will happen over time


    Posted By devonawalker On March 22, 2010 @ 10:21 am In Uncategorized | No Comments

    It’s all done now, except for the Tuesday morning quarterbacking and the spin. But here is a pretty comprehenisve list of what you can expect immediately after the passage of health care reform as well as some other notable changes that will occur over time.

    Changes happening immediately:

    1. Adult children may remain as dependents on their parents’ policy until their 27th birthday

    2. Children under age 19 may not be excluded for pre-existing conditions

    3. No more lifetime or annual caps on coverage

    4. Free preventative care for all

    5. Adults with pre-existing conditions may buy into a national high-risk pool until the exchanges come online. These pools won’t be cheap, but they are still a lot better than being excluded. And there is expected to be some advantage due to the wider pool of the uninsured.

    6. Small businesses will be en led to a tax credit for 2009 and 2010, which could be as much as 50 percent of what they pay for their employees’ health insurance.

    7. The “doughnut hole” closes for Medicare patients, making prescription medications more affordable for seniors. The government would offer a $250 rebate to Medicare beneficiaries to help pay their prescription drug costs when they hit the “doughnut hole.” Next year, Medicare beneficiaries would see a 50 percent discount on brand-name drugs to further close that gap.

    8. All insurers will be required to post balance sheets on the Internet and fully disclose administrative costs, executive compensation packages, and benefit payments.

    9. Authorizes early funding of community health centers in all 50 states (Bernie Sanders’ amendment). Community health centers provide primary, dental and vision services to people in the community, based on a sliding scale for payment according to ability to pay.

    10. No more rescissions. Effective immediately, you can’t lose your insurance because you get sick.

    11. Effective immediately would be a 10 percent tax on tanning salon services, which opponents say would lead to higher costs for indoor bronzing.

    The following changes will occur over time. I have included the date of all implemented changes.

    1. By 2014, all Americans must have health care coverage or pay a fine. Subsidies would be offered to help those making less than $44,000 or $88,000 for a family of four, afford insurance. Fines would be $95 in 2014, gradually rising to $695 by 2016, or up to 2.5 percent of income.

    2. The most notable tax increase will occur in 2013, on individuals making more than $200,000, or $250,000 for couples. Taxes would be 0.9 percent on earned income above those amounts, and 2.9 percent on investment income (dividends, rents, royalties, etc.)

    3. By 2014, no adults can be denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions.

    4. Companies with more than 50 workers would be required, by Jan. 1, 2014, to provide health care for their employees or face a penalty of $2,000 per worker (exempting the first 30 workers.) Up to $40 billion in tax credits would be offered to help companies buy insurance for their workers.

    5. For individuals: Beginning Jan. 1, 2014, those making less than $44,000 annually, or $88,000 for a family of four, would be offered subsidies to buy health care. The subsidies would be on a sliding scale up to 9.5 percent of income.

    6. For small businesses: Beginning this year, companies would be offered tax credits of up to 35 percent of health premiums to buy insurance for their workers. Tax credits would rise up to 50 percent by 2014. Those businesses with fewer than 10 workers would receive a full credit to cover costs.

    7. New taxes would be imposed, on Jan. 1, 2018, on high-value health insurance plans held by individuals — the so-called “Cadillac plans” often offered to union workers or executives. The tax would be 40 percent on the value of individual plans above $10,200 and family plans above $27,500 (slightly higher, at $11,850 and $30,950, for retirees or workers in high-risk professions.) Excludes dental and vision plans.

    8. Pharmaceutical companies would face a $4.8 billion fee beginning in 2011; medical device manufacturers would be hit with a 2.9 percent fee in 2013; and insurance companies would begin to see a nearly $70 billion fee in 2014.

    9. Government payments to the Medicare Advantage program would be frozen in 2011 and decline in subsequent years.
    10. By Jan. 1, 2014, most states would establish new health care exchanges, where those without job-based insurance could purchase policies, much the way members of Congress now buy insurance from an array of suppliers.


    URL to article: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...pen-over-time/

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    Will they put you in jail when you still don't pay?
    so it's not free..

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    Health care reform, Just the Facts: Immediate changes, others that will happen over time


    Posted By devonawalker On March 22, 2010 @ 10:21 am In Uncategorized | No Comments

    It’s all done now, except for the Tuesday morning quarterbacking and the spin. But here is a pretty comprehenisve list of what you can expect immediately after the passage of health care reform as well as some other notable changes that will occur over time.

    Changes happening immediately:

    1. Adult children may remain as dependents on their parents’ policy until their 27th birthday

    2. Children under age 19 may not be excluded for pre-existing conditions

    3. No more lifetime or annual caps on coverage

    4. Free preventative care for all

    5. Adults with pre-existing conditions may buy into a national high-risk pool until the exchanges come online. These pools won’t be cheap, but they are still a lot better than being excluded. And there is expected to be some advantage due to the wider pool of the uninsured.

    6. Small businesses will be en led to a tax credit for 2009 and 2010, which could be as much as 50 percent of what they pay for their employees’ health insurance.

    7. The “doughnut hole” closes for Medicare patients, making prescription medications more affordable for seniors. The government would offer a $250 rebate to Medicare beneficiaries to help pay their prescription drug costs when they hit the “doughnut hole.” Next year, Medicare beneficiaries would see a 50 percent discount on brand-name drugs to further close that gap.

    8. All insurers will be required to post balance sheets on the Internet and fully disclose administrative costs, executive compensation packages, and benefit payments.

    9. Authorizes early funding of community health centers in all 50 states (Bernie Sanders’ amendment). Community health centers provide primary, dental and vision services to people in the community, based on a sliding scale for payment according to ability to pay.

    10. No more rescissions. Effective immediately, you can’t lose your insurance because you get sick.

    11. Effective immediately would be a 10 percent tax on tanning salon services, which opponents say would lead to higher costs for indoor bronzing.

    The following changes will occur over time. I have included the date of all implemented changes.

    1. By 2014, all Americans must have health care coverage or pay a fine. Subsidies would be offered to help those making less than $44,000 or $88,000 for a family of four, afford insurance. Fines would be $95 in 2014, gradually rising to $695 by 2016, or up to 2.5 percent of income.

    2. The most notable tax increase will occur in 2013, on individuals making more than $200,000, or $250,000 for couples. Taxes would be 0.9 percent on earned income above those amounts, and 2.9 percent on investment income (dividends, rents, royalties, etc.)

    3. By 2014, no adults can be denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions.

    4. Companies with more than 50 workers would be required, by Jan. 1, 2014, to provide health care for their employees or face a penalty of $2,000 per worker (exempting the first 30 workers.) Up to $40 billion in tax credits would be offered to help companies buy insurance for their workers.

    5. For individuals: Beginning Jan. 1, 2014, those making less than $44,000 annually, or $88,000 for a family of four, would be offered subsidies to buy health care. The subsidies would be on a sliding scale up to 9.5 percent of income.

    6. For small businesses: Beginning this year, companies would be offered tax credits of up to 35 percent of health premiums to buy insurance for their workers. Tax credits would rise up to 50 percent by 2014. Those businesses with fewer than 10 workers would receive a full credit to cover costs.

    7. New taxes would be imposed, on Jan. 1, 2018, on high-value health insurance plans held by individuals — the so-called “Cadillac plans” often offered to union workers or executives. The tax would be 40 percent on the value of individual plans above $10,200 and family plans above $27,500 (slightly higher, at $11,850 and $30,950, for retirees or workers in high-risk professions.) Excludes dental and vision plans.

    8. Pharmaceutical companies would face a $4.8 billion fee beginning in 2011; medical device manufacturers would be hit with a 2.9 percent fee in 2013; and insurance companies would begin to see a nearly $70 billion fee in 2014.

    9. Government payments to the Medicare Advantage program would be frozen in 2011 and decline in subsequent years.
    10. By Jan. 1, 2014, most states would establish new health care exchanges, where those without job-based insurance could purchase policies, much the way members of Congress now buy insurance from an array of suppliers.


    URL to article: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...pen-over-time/
    Why not just say the government took over the health care industry?

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    Please, stop it. Just stop it. It's free for LOTS of americans. Don't think for one second, that all of a sudden 32 million people are going to start paying for this. Just knock it off. You are being stupid.

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    thx

    am currently reading this ...

    http://www.businessweek.com/investor...322_662113.htm

    So it doesn't begin to take effect until 2014 and even then not for everyone?
    And the cost is based on ten years of increased taxes and fees to support six years of benefits.

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    And the cost is based on ten years of increased taxes and fees to support six years of benefits.
    You mean to tell me it takes 10 years of taxes/fees to pay for 6 years of benefits. How is that possible?

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    You mean to tell me it takes 10 years of taxes/fees to pay for 6 years of benefits. How is that possible?
    All they'll do is collect taxes for the first four years -- starting at 7:15 A.M. Central Time, tomorrow. No benefits until 2014. That lady he was weeping over last weekend because she was receiving free and aggressive cancer treatment without the benefit of an expensive government program -- still wouldn't have the benefit of that government program until 2014. However, she'll be fined a $1,000 bucks a year -- starting tomorrow and garnished from her wages -- if she doesn't buy an insurance policy the likes of which she was forced to drop last year so she wouldn't lose her house.

    That's how it's possible.

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    However, she'll be fined a $1,000 bucks a year -- starting tomorrow
    Penalties for the uninsured do not begin until 2014.

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    Penalties for the uninsured do not begin until 2014.
    My bad.

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    I wish we had doctors listing all their prices. This something sorely missing from this bill.

    But my favorite part of the legislation that did pass that someone will have to list prices somewhere: The buck stops with he insurance companies on some aspects of cost reporting: They are required to list their balance sheets publicly.

    However, if we have learned anything from the Sarbanes Oxley act is that this will kill any small insurance companies. By requiring a small business to put so much resources in corporate reporting will inhibit entry of new insurance companies into the market. Not as big of a deal as the actual Sarbanes Oxley act on smaller corporations, but still, it is something to note.

    Not the biggest deal, but certainly a valid criticism.

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    4. Free preventative care for all


    what the does this mean?

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    its about time healthcare is free!!!!!!!!!!!! we should not half to pay for this stuff.........

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    1. By 2014, all Americans must have health care coverage or pay a fine. Subsidies would be offered to help those making less than $44,000 or $88,000 for a family of four, afford insurance. Fines would be $95 in 2014, gradually rising to $695 by 2016, or up to 2.5 percent of income.
    Hmmm, median household income is ~50k. This should do wonders for our deficit.

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