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  1. #426
    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    To me it's no big deal at all that sometimes he goes with the point differential standings and sometimes don't. It's natural that when he doesnt' see any important factors he simply cites the formula


    sorry but imho i'd say either you're a Hollinger groupie or Hollinger himself to have an opinion as obtuse as that.

    If you're going to judge teams simply by what you "see" and "feel" about them, then fine.

    If you're going to judge them 100% on what the statistics tell you, then fine.

    But to pick and choose whether you are going to "go with your gut" or "use the formula" is stupid and dishonest.

    Hollinger is Charles Barkley with a built-in excuse for stupidity. Charles goes 100% on what he "feels" and makes no bones about it. If he's proven to be an ass, then so be it. Hollinger also goes 100% on what he "feels" but when people argue with his opinion, he can always refer to his formula and other statistics, as a crutch. He has no true feel for the game, he has no instinct for the game, he's merely a dorky little fanboy with a complicated statistical formula at his disposal, but only when he wants it to be.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    There are 3 things that at some point you can expect from every fan base in the NBA:

    - accusing Hollinger of being prejudiced against their team.
    false. Utah Jazz fans know that Hollinger will always be their team's butt buddy, regardless of what the stats say.

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    Hollinger just making the predictions he's supposed to make..

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    Hollinger troll.

    Now.

    Please.

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    Ouch.

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    For s sake, could the stars not be aligned enough for Hollinger?
    Maybe his numbers aren't as ty as most people think.

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    I'm Mavs>Spurs bitch Allanon's Avatar
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    krfol Hollinger batting 100 tbh

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  10. #435
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    Dallas: Rodrigue Beaubois

    OK, I've saved the best for last. I was unmoved by the Mavs' raves over Beaubois early in the season, figuring if he couldn't beat out J.J. Barea he wasn't worth spilling much ink over. For four months that proved true, but he has completely blown up in March and spawned "Free Roddy" campaigns across the Metroplex.

    Beaubois' exclamation point was his 40-point outburst against Golden State on Saturday; while the list of players who have torched the Warriors isn't exactly a select group, he's been providing spectacular offensive fireworks the entire month. Check out these March numbers: a Kobe-esque 31.1 points per 40 minutes, 58.9 percent shooting and 48.8 percent on 3s. He's been so good, in fact, that he now leads all rookies in PER.

    We can't expect him to produce quite this bountifully going forward, but subjectively his strong play isn't difficult to explain. One of the best athletes to come out of Europe in recent years, he's best described as a hybrid of Tony Parker and Leandro Barbosa -- he's French, small and fast like Parker, but like Barbosa he is a good outside shooter with straight-line speed who has played dramatically better as a 2.

    Beaubois has been under control, too, with only nine turnovers in 10 games in March, excluding last week's one-minute outings against Boston and Portland.

    (Insert sound of needle scratching across record.)

    Wait … one-minute outings? This guy? How?

    Well, he's not the easiest guy for whom to find good matchups. He's basically a 6-foot-2 shooting guard, at least for the purposes of this season's Mavericks (the long-term plan is for him to play the point), so one can understand the reluctance to pair him in a small backcourt with Barea, or a small and passer-less one with Jason Terry.

    Here's the thing: They might as well, because there's really nothing to lose here. Even the most avid Mavs Kool-Aid drinker would have to concede that a Beaubois-less Dallas rotation is winning one playoff round at best.

    Beaubois does three things for Dallas: He mends a glaring defensive weakness against quick point guards, he solves the need for another player who can create his own shot and he fixes an athleticism deficit the Mavs still face against several Western powers.

    After his breakout by the Bay, the instinct is to replace Barea with Beaubois and leave the rest of the rotation intact. Actually, I'd argue for stronger medicine: Start the guy, keep Terry coming off the bench and play Barea and Terry together against opposing second units.

    Shifting the rest of the rotation isn't rocket science. Having Beaubois or Terry check 2s is a worry when they're in the game together, but Caron Butler isn't exactly contending for defensive player of the year either. Despite a superficially impressive scoring average, Butler also has the worst PER of the Mavs' revised eight-man rotation; if you're curious, that's true even of his post-trade numbers. Moving Butler into a 20-minute bench role would free Roddy, and there's really no reason not to try it -- freeing Roddy might be the only thing that can keep Dallas from freeing its golf clubs this spring.
    Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Rookies




    Talking nice about a Mav player? #1 rookie in PER? Explain yourself

  11. #436
    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    wow, even in compliments he finds a way to throw a few backhands. Bench Butler and reduce his role to 20 minutes a night? Insanity.

    Hollinger's always been a big Barea homer, which explains why he doesn't think Barea should lose minutes. I'm not sure how to explain why he wants Terry to get big minutes. If you're giving Roddy minutes, they have to eat into Barea and Jet's playing time. Cutting Butler's minutes is just re ed.

    Either way, this proves that there's no possible excuse for Carlisle to keep Roddy chained to the bench any longer.

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    Poppin' Champagne badfish22's Avatar
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    wow, even in compliments he finds a way to throw a few backhands. Bench Butler and reduce his role to 20 minutes a night? Insanity.

    Hollinger's always been a big Barea homer, which explains why he doesn't think Barea should lose minutes. I'm not sure how to explain why he wants Terry to get big minutes. If you're giving Roddy minutes, they have to eat into Barea and Jet's playing time. Cutting Butler's minutes is just re ed.

    Either way, this proves that there's no possible excuse for Carlisle to keep Roddy chained to the bench any longer.
    +1 to all that. Butler was the man against Boston.

    Another backhand
    Even the most avid Mavs Kool-Aid drinker would have to concede that a Beaubois-less Dallas rotation is winning one playoff round at best.
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    so I guess Barkley, Steve Smith and a bunch of the ESPN crew are Mav kool-aid drinkers.

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    wow, even in compliments he finds a way to throw a few backhands. Bench Butler and reduce his role to 20 minutes a night? Insanity.

    Hollinger's always been a big Barea homer, which explains why he doesn't think Barea should lose minutes. I'm not sure how to explain why he wants Terry to get big minutes. If you're giving Roddy minutes, they have to eat into Barea and Jet's playing time. Cutting Butler's minutes is just re ed.

    Either way, this proves that there's no possible excuse for Carlisle to keep Roddy chained to the bench any longer.
    Reducing him to only 20 minutes is extreme but I do like the idea of having a scorer like Butler come off the bench for more offense. This is what I would like.
    PG Kidd 36 minutes/Terry 12 minutes
    SG Beaubois 30 minutes/Terry 18 minutes
    SF Marion 20 minutes/Butler 28 minutes
    PF Nowitzki 38 minutes (or some of those minutes at C)/Marion 10 minutes
    C Haywood 32 minutes/Dampier, Najera, and Dirk based on matchups for 16 minutes.

  14. #439
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    Terry needs less minutes. Roddy needs more minutes. Butler needs more plays ran for him, as opposed to Kidd or someone passing to him with a few seconds on the shot clock for him to have to force a shot. Let him run some iso's and get some picks. The guy is much more effective when he has either some space (especially on the baseline) or a pick to operate with.

  15. #440
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    Haywood and Dampier should play for all 48 minutes, and the only time Najera should be over them at C is if the opponent goes small, and they can get away with it, or if they just need an energy spark. Otherwise his minutes should be all at backup PF.

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    Play Barea and Terry together??? Doesnt this in' genius realize that playing those 2 together is the absolute worst thing for this team. He apparently rarely watches mavs games and has his ass too far up his formulas and calculations

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