GSW vs PHX, Tune in for Offensive Firework!

[picc84]

Suns wanted to lose, Monta just wanted it more. Sometimes it comes down to that.

[Red Hawk #21]

If the Suns would have lost this game, I can't even imagine the reaction...

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If the Suns would have lost this game, I can't even imagine the reaction...

I would have run my head through a glass window.

[N4th4n]

They let him go one on one against Tolliver who abused him on two straight plays.

They SENT a double.... Amare passed out to Nash... the double team left... Nash re-posted Amare.... then he had the 1v1.

[picc84]

If the Suns would have lost this game, I can't even imagine the reaction...

Nash wouldn't let them lose. He just made the plays he was supposed to make.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nash wouldn't let them lose. He just made the plays he was supposed to make.

Nash is pissed off right now because getting the win wasn't fun at all. He did everything he could to come through and deliver a loss and Amare threw it all away for a win.

[Red Hawk #21]

Nash wouldn't let them lose. He just made the plays he was supposed to make.

It sure didn't look that way to me, if that game would have gone into OT there's no doubt in my mind that the Warriors steal the win. But good win for the Suns though, they have to finish games better in the future though.

[picc84]

Sons if it wasn't for Steve Nash the GS Warriors would have blown this game wide open. Amare had a nice dunk and all but he should be thanking his lucky stars Nash is there to make the plays for him and take the game over when it gets down to crunchtime.

Amare owes 60% of his production and 100% of his fun to the two-time MVP teammate.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Sons if it wasn't for Steve Nash the GS Warriors would have blown this game wide open. Amare had a nice dunk and all but he should be thanking his lucky stars Nash is there to make the plays for him and take the game over when it gets down to crunchtime.

Amare owes 60% of his production and 100% of his fun to the two-time MVP teammate.

You're a in idiot.

EDIT: the post was a joke, makes much more sense.

[Chieflion]

picc84 just trolling the Suns fans he is supposed to troll.

[Xylus]

Sons if it wasn't for Steve Nash the GS Warriors would have blown this game wide open. Amare had a nice dunk and all but he should be thanking his lucky stars Nash is there to make the plays for him and take the game over when it gets down to crunchtime.

Amare owes 60% of his production and 100% of his fun to the two-time MVP teammate.

Seriously, you better be joking.

[Red Hawk #21]

Sons if it wasn't for Steve Nash the GS Warriors would have blown this game wide open. Amare had a nice dunk and all but he should be thanking his lucky stars Nash is there to make the plays for him and take the game over when it gets down to crunchtime.

Amare owes 60% of his production and 100% of his fun to the two-time MVP teammate.

I find it sad that folks are trying to discredit Amare by saying that his production comes from Nash. Yes, usually in general it does but tonight that was not the case. Amare was simply manhandling Tolliver down in the post. Amare won that game tonight for the Warriors with his scoring. He also grabbed a huge offensive rebound when Grant Hill choked on freethrows.

[picc84]

Great pic of the dunk by Stat on Tolliver.



Damn, looks like Amare mummified dude.

[picc84]

I find it sad that folks are trying to discredit Amare by saying that his production comes from Nash. Yes, usually in general it does but tonight that was not the case. Amare was simply manhandling Tolliver down in the post. Amare won that game tonight for the Warriors with his scoring. He also grabbed a huge offensive rebound when Grant Hill choked on freethrows.

Look, I said it was a nice dunk, what more do you want? Sad how people want to downplay the contributions of a two-time MVP and floor general like Steve Nash. If it wasn't for him setting his teammates up with easy looks and running the PnR to perfection for Amare tonight Phoenix fans would not be sleeping easy.

Give some credit where its due and stop trying to minimize his impact on Amare's game.

[Red Hawk #21]

Look, I said it was a nice dunk, what more do you want? Sad how people want to downplay the contributions of a two-time MVP and floor general like Steve Nash. If it wasn't for him setting his teammates up with easy looks and running the PnR to perfection for Amare tonight Phoenix fans would not be sleeping easy.

Give some credit where its due and stop trying to minimize his impact on Amare's game.

I've come to the conclusion that you're just joking and getting a kick out of this. it, I'm going to bed I have class at 8am lol.

[Dunc n Dave]

You'll see next year when Amare leaves just how much he relies on Nash (or a similar All Star passing PG). I can't see him averaging over 19ppg, and 8 rebs on a team with a shoot-first PG. Nash inflates Amare's numbers; without Nash he's on the level of a Josh Smith or Anthony Randolph: freakishly athletic but can't create his own shot, not all that great with his back to the basket.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You'll see next year when Amare leaves just how much he relies on Nash (or a similar All Star passing PG). I can't see him averaging over 19ppg, and 8 rebs on a team with a shoot-first PG. Nash inflates Amare's numbers; without Nash he's on the level of a Josh Smith or Anthony Randolph: freakishly athletic but can't create his own shot, not all that great with his back to the basket.

In Amare's sop re season he averaged 20 points and 9 rebounds with the aborted fetus of Stephon Marbury and Leandro Barbosa at point guard. You have no idea what the you're talking about.

[HarlemHeat37]

You'll see next year when Amare leaves just how much he relies on Nash (or a similar All Star passing PG). I can't see him averaging over 19ppg, and 8 rebs on a team with a shoot-first PG. Nash inflates Amare's numbers; without Nash he's on the level of a Josh Smith or Anthony Randolph: freakishly athletic but can't create his own shot, not all that great with his back to the basket.

[Dunc n Dave]

In Amare's sop re season he averaged 20 points and 9 rebounds with the aborted fetus of Stephon Marbury and Leandro Barbosa at point guard. You have no idea what the you're talking about.

Marbury was traded that year early in the season to New York. Even though he was known as a ball hog throughout his career, he still averaged 8.8 assists per game that year. In contrast, Jason Kidd led the league in assists that year with 9.2 a game...

Even under Marbury, he was spoon fed by one of the top assist guys in the league. The Suns have been blessed with Top PG play for many years. And look at what happened to Amare's FG% after Nash came back to town. It jumped nearly 10% points from 47 to 56%. Nash has made Amare a superstar.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Marbury was traded that year early in the season to New York. Even though he was known as a ball hog throughout his career, he still averaged 8.8 assists per game that year. In contrast, Jason Kidd led the league in assists that year with 9.2 a game...

Even under Marbury, he was spoon fed by one of the top assist guys in the league. The Suns have been blessed with Top PG play for many years. And look at what happened to Amare's FG% after Nash came back to town. It jumped nearly 10% points from 47 to 56%. Nash has made Amare a superstar.

So how do you account for the fact Amare, that sop re season, averaged 24.5 points and 10.0 rebounds post AS break, when neither Nash nor Marbury (who you seem to think is a great passer) were dishing assists to him? Are you gonna try to tell me Barbosa is a great passer? If you knew what the you were talking about, you would know Amare's numbers went up after the Marbury trade that season because he played better without a PG who dominates the ball.

You should just stop since you're already grasping at straws. Explain how in the game Nash missed this year Amare dropped 30 on one of the best defensive teams in the league (OKC)? Was Nash spoon feeding him passes from his couch in Phoenix?

[Dunc n Dave]

So how do you account for the fact Amare, that sop re season, averaged 24.5 points and 10.0 rebounds post AS break, when neither Nash nor Marbury (who you seem to think is a great passer) were dishing assists to him? Are you gonna try to tell me Barbosa is a great passer? If you knew what the you were talking about, you would know Amare's numbers went up after the Marbury trade that season because he played better without a PG who dominates the ball.

You should just stop since you're already grasping at straws. Explain how in the game Nash missed this year Amare dropped 30 on one of the best defensive teams in the league (OKC)? Was Nash spoon feeding him passes from his couch in Phoenix?

Please... Dejuan Blair (all 6'7" of him) went for 28 points and 21 rebounds IN OKC this year? Does that make him a superstar, capable of creating his own shot at will too? OKC plays good D, but their are Charmin soft in the middle... You're the one grasping for straws now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Please... Dejuan Blair (all 6'7" of him) went for 28 points and 21 rebounds IN OKC this year? Does that make him a superstar, capable of creating his own shot at will too? OKC plays good D, but their are Charmin soft in the middle... You're the one grasping for straws now.

That's the only part of my post you felt like responding to?

[Dunc n Dave]

That's the only part of my post you felt like responding to?

What else is there to respond to?
Marbury was 2nd in the league in assists per game that year. Despite his recent head-case antics, the rest of the league (and the stats) would qualify him as a "good passer" in 03-04.

What? No rebuttal to a rookie Dejuan Blair scoring 2 points less than Stoudemire (and a ton more rebounds) against the "awesome defense" of OKC in their building? Guess he'll be giving Shaq a run for his $ now as the self-proclaimed most dominant big man ever, since he scored 30 vs Nenad Kristic?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What else is there to respond to?
Marbury was 2nd in the league in assists per game that year. Despite his recent head-case antics, the rest of the league (and the stats) would qualify him as a "good passer" in 03-04.

I already showed you that Amare's numbers went up after Marbury was traded. His post AS break numbers that year (all of which with barbosa at PG) were noticeably better than his pre AS break numbers. If his 2003-2004 season was so dependent on the 34 games Marbury played prior to his trade, explain how Amare's numbers got better after the trade?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What? No rebuttal to a rookie Dejuan Blair scoring 2 points less than Stoudemire (and a ton more rebounds) against the "awesome defense" of OKC in their building? Guess he'll be giving Shaq a run for his $ now as the self-proclaimed most dominant big man ever, since he scored 30 vs Nenad Kristic?

What? No rebuttal to a rookie Dejuan Blair scoring 2 points less than Stoudemire (and a ton more rebounds) against the "awesome defense" of OKC in their building? Guess he'll be giving Shaq a run for his $ now as the self-proclaimed most dominant big man ever, since he scored 30 vs Nenad Kristic?

OKC has the 7th best defensive rating in the NBA, and just last night shut Duncan down. Dejuan Blair presents a mis match for OKC because no big on that team is strong enough to establish position on the guy and box him out. Here are Dejuan Blair's scores in that game's play by play

1st quarter:
11:36DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
11:33DeJuan Blair makes two point shot

10:26DeJuan Blair makes tip shot
10:26DeJuan Blair offensive rebound

8:37DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
8:36DeJuan Blair makes tip shot

8:10DeJuan Blair makes free throw 1 of 2
8:10DeJuan Blair makes free throw 2 of 2

6:18DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
6:16DeJuan Blair makes two point shot

3:02DeJuan Blair makes layup (Tony Parker assists)


2nd quarter:4:03DeJuan Blair offensive rebound
4:03Dejuan Blair fouled
4:03DeJuan Blair makes free throw 1 of 2
4:03DeJuan Blair makes free throw 2 of 2

2:01DeJuan Blair makes layup (Tony Parker assists)

1:28DeJuan Blair makes tip shot
1:28DeJuan Blair offensive rebound


3rd quarter:
6:48DeJuan Blair makes layup (Roger Mason assists)

5:11San Antonio offensive rebound
5:11Dejuan Blair fouled
5:11DeJuan Blair makes free throw 1 of 2


4th quarter:
7:05DeJuan Blair makes dunk (Manu Ginobili assist)

6:31DeJuan Blair makes dunk (Manu Ginobili assists)

4:41DeJuan Blair makes layup


Overtime:
3:21DeJuan Blair makes free throw 1 of 2


Dejuan Blair had 13 of his 28 points come off 2nd chance points he got because no one on OKC is big enough to box him out. 8 of his other 15 points came off Parker and Ginobili drawing attention away from him because the other team views them as bigger threats. Chances are Roger Mason didn't create a shot for Blair and Blair did plenty to get that shot himself.


Here is Amare's play by play against OKC without Nash:

1st quarter:
7:28Amare Stoudemire makes two point shot
7:28Amare Stoudemire offensive rebound

6:30Amare Stoudemire makes dunk (Jason Richardson assists)

5:41Amare Stoudemire makes dunk (Goran Dragic assists)

4:37Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 2 of 2

2:04Amare Stoudemire makes 15-foot jumper (Goran Dragic assists)

0:33Amare Stoudemire makes hook shot


2nd quarter:
2:32Amare Stoudemire makes 5-foot jumper (Louis Amundson assists)

1:14Amare Stoudemire makes 17-foot jumper (Jared Dudley assists)

3rd quarter:
10:57Amare Stoudemire makes dunk (Goran Dragic assists)

9:47Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 1 of 2
9:47Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 2 of 2

3:30Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 1 of 2
3:30Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 2 of 2

2:51Amare Stoudemire makes two point shot


4th quarter:
2:40Amare Stoudemire makes dunk (Goran Dragic assists)

1:53Amare Stoudemire makes layup (Goran Dragic assists)

1:00Amare Stoudemire makes driving layup
1:00Amare fouled
1:00Amare Stoudemire makes free throw 1 of 1


Given that Amare still had tons of success running the pick and roll with Dragic instead of Nash and that only 2 of his 30 points came off an offensive rebound he got, I'd say your comparison was pretty re ed.