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    Bush41 paid the political price for raising taxes, but ultimately raising taxes led to a proposed balance budget under Clinton...on the other hand, raising taxes didn't help any particular voting coalition..the health-care reform right out of the gate could help millions of prospective or future voters..

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    or could result in rising premiums, taxes, and stagnant health care quality for large swaths of the population and result in a permanent dependent class. Not to mention the increased invasion of privacy.

    That two tone deaf politicians followed two rather good ones is the price we pay, I suppose.

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    or could result in rising premiums, taxes, and stagnant health care quality for large swaths of the population and result in a permanent dependent class. Not to mention the increased invasion of privacy.

    That two tone deaf politicians followed two rather good ones is the price we pay, I suppose.
    Rising premiums is one of the reasons that we need health-care reform, it is the cost that is primarily driving the federal deficit, but we need a public option to break the back of regional monopolies in Insurance/health-care and create more compe ion...

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    Or health care insurance companies could face out of state compe ion.

    And sure, "reform" is needed, and the recently passed law heads in the opposite and wrong direction.

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    Or health care insurance companies could face out of state compe ion.
    It's called a monopoly for a reason...

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    And sure, "reform" is needed, and the recently passed law heads in the opposite and wrong direction.
    It certainly lacks in regulation to control health-care premiums, but opening the books of health-care giants won't hurt..

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    It's called a monopoly for a reason...
    Sure. How about opening it up to compe ion from without?

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    It certainly lacks in regulation to control health-care premiums, but opening the books of health-care giants won't hurt..
    Opening the "giants" up to compe ion is better. Now the giants lock in profits and ensnare more.

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    Sure. How about opening it up to compe ion from without?
    Without were? China?

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    Opening the "giants" up to compe ion is better. Now the giants lock in profits and ensnare more.
    I agree, but you can't do that until you break up the regional monopolies or they will crush the compe on...

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    Without were? China?
    Out of state.

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    I agree, but you can't do that until you break up the regional monopolies or they will crush the compe on...
    Monopolies are ultimately granted by the state. Individuals end up with health care insurance plans they don't necessarily want due to the exclusion of those benefits from the income tax. Third party payers are the principal cause of health care inflation. All the new "reform" does is double down on this flawed system.

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    Some of my libertarian friends balk at what looks like an individual mandate. But remember, someone has to pay for the health care that must, by law, be provided: Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian.
    - Mitt Romney

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    Of course. And it's nonsensical, as libertarians are not anarchists.

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