+1 Ibanezsr with the goods.
Hill plays the passing lanes 5,000,000X better than TP and also has quicker hands and can actually block some shots once awhile too.
Both are somewhat average at containment. So I'm not sure what exactly Parker does better on the defensive side of the ball, but somehow all the Parker fanboys have all started believing TP is better.
On the offensive side of the ball Parker has the edge in experience, and much better halfcourt midrange game of jumpers, floaters, teardrops, layups etc. Has a tendency to get into 1 vs 5 a bit too often. Has great synergy w/Duncan.
Offensively, Hill shoots the 3 better, finishes on full court fast breaks better, is always unselfish when it comes to giving the ball up, but lacks the leadership and experience of Parker. Isn't as talented at at getting good open looks in the halfcourt which is one of Parker's strongest skills. Hill also looks to be 100X more durable than Parker so far in his career.
Overall I'd say they are very close, w/ Parker and his experience giving him the edge right now, but its much closer than the TP fanboys want to admit.
How could anyone say that Hill finishes full court fast breaks better than Parker? Parker may not be a great passer on fast breaks but he is the best at the one man fast break and somehow scoring. Also, Tony has been incredibly durable until this year. He used to miss some games with sprained ankles but this is the first year he's been constantly in and out. Tony's first two years, he hardly, if ever, missed a game.
The rest of your arguments just does not need to be quoted, as it is so so funny... (but you're not the only one to forecast your lack of BB knowledge.)+1 Ibanezsr with the goods.
Both are somewhat average at containment. So I'm not sure what exactly Parker does better on the defensive side of the ball, but somehow all the Parker fanboys have all started believing TP is better.
But for this quote :
Have a look at the many playoffs games played by Tony and maybe you'll figure out what he does on the defensive end.
And if you need a second opinion, be nice to find the many many game recap written by Timvp during the past decade at playoffs time and you'll know more about the defense Parker can give when it matters.
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This. This thread is completely ridiculous. How about this? I'll take both of 'em healthy right now.
yall s dumb imgaine if hill and parker are on the floor at the same time who s gonna guard
it's funny when ppl get all riled up when someone wants to compare a player to Tony/Manu/Duncan.
It's a freaking comparison, stop getting your panties in a bunch!
TP is better at everything except defense and 3pt. Hill is clearly better defender and a better 3 pt shooter.
TP is light years ahead Hill in the offensive game.
are you serious...what the did you just say?
Different players, Hill is a SG learning how to be a PG, thats why he doesn't record much assists, Hill is a better defender and 3pt shooter than Parker, however Parker is a much better player; better decision-making skills, ballhandling, finisher, uses the glass like no one else does.
Hill duh, this thread is stupid -- jk jk
2nd year Hill
12.1 ppg 2.8 ast 48% 40% from 3 PER : 14.5
2nd year parker
15.5 ppg 5.3 ast 46% 33% from 3 PER: 16.5
And Parker was still much younger...
I really like Hill but there is really nothing to debate. Parker is way better.
hopefully one day the comparison will be legit. But we should wait a couple of year.
It's clear that Parker is better but the more interesting question might be, given Hill's low salary and good play, how interested would the Spurs be this summer in an offer that included a quality Big and a good b/u PG in exchange for Parker? What if the Knicks Offered Lee & Duhon?
Both are UFA this summer... I wonder what their future contract will be.
For sure some team will propose Lee a fat contract and I don't know how much he really worth.
But if that kind of trade was possible... well, I don't know.
Moreover, I am not really sure Parker will stay in San Antonio at the end of the next season.
Today Parker is better.In 2 years Hill could be better
seriously?...... 3 pages???!!
I just hope the FO is smart enough to realize that Parker can not be part of the post-TD Spurs. he's already peaked, he's no Steve Nash or Jason Kidd who can play great well into their 30's, his game is quickness and recklessness, and those things are already starting to erode, plus he's taken a beating over the years and is much older than his age when it comes to the shape his body in in now. in 2 years he probably won't be a top ten PG in this league, maybe not even top 15.
and it would be better to trade him rather than let him walk via free agency and get nothing in return.
If we don't win it all this year, we won't ever win it again with the big 3, and it's time to start rebuilding, TP is the only player we could trade that might get us some young talent in return.
^^ I'd expect nothing less from a ing re Bonner fan.
^^ baseline bum with another thoughtful retort, raising the bar for ST, because he doesn't want ST to be just another internet message board full of 15 year old's calling each other idiot and re
he knows that ST is better than that
Nothing to debate? Parker was playing alongside an MVP-like Duncan and the likes of a young Gino & Stephen Jackson. Hill plays with the likes of a declining Duncan, a less than spry Gino (1st half of yr) and stellar players like Bogans, Bonner, Dice, Blair, etc who aren't the greatest finishers. TP also played 34 minutes a game to Hill's 29. Parker also turns the ball over more (could be attributed to more playing time though). Parker also had plety of Professional basketball experience prior to his 2nd yr in the NBA... There is more to the debate than meets the eye. I think getting a big in a trade for Parker would make this team a Champion next year...
Something about black people guarding Hill?
I don't know.
That's a very good point.
Nothing to debate between Hill and Parker now.
I was just saying 2nd year Parker was as good if not better as 2nd year Hill despite being much younger.
Whatever, the assist and TO numbers are misleading with Parker being a full time PG and Hill playing 1 and 2, so basically I agree there performances as 2nd year are comparable. All I am saying is that there is nothing granted when you try to guess the ceiling of a player. Hill may or may not improve.
For Parker we all know what he became.
He has his flaws but not a lot of player are better than last year Parker.
I will stop here, but a few things in your argumentation are a bit strange.
A rookie Gino who was a 7 ppg in 20 minutes player... the "less than spry" Gino has much more influence than the rookie Gino.
Not exactly an All-Star back then
... And actually the fact than Duncan had little help offensively is probably the reason why Parker's number were so good.
I brought up Gino and Jackson because they could finish when given an opportunity. They weren't just 3 pt shooters like most on SA this yr (Bonner, Bogans, Mason). You are correct in saying that Gino has more influence but that influence forces Hill to defer to him more... especially since both run PG at times when on court together.
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