Pop simply FAILED this season, as a coach and more (imho) as a GM.
Theo should be in a SA uniform.
Bogans shouldn't.
Mason shouldn't.
Bonner shouldn't (Scola should be around...)
Dice "maybe".
Ian never gets a break to show us if he's an NBA player.
Hairston Idem but not exactly, he's proven NBA material way over Bogans.
Manu didnt' got a contract extension two months ago (when he was a lock) and probably will never sign again with the Spurs if we don't show him we can contend in the near future.
He's failing hard.
This is the thing that separates Phil from Gregg. , I'd even place Jerry Sloan in that category. Their (Phil and Jerry) both coaches that aren't afraid to give young players opportunities to perform without fear of being yanked. Maybe it's because they both played in the league? I just wish our head coach was as open to giving young players realistic chances to perform.
Exactly. And most importantly, he's failing Tim and Manu - those two are our entire franchise. Parker is a nice piece, but he's nowhere near as important as Tim and Manu.
Tim hasn't had any help all year, and then Pop trades Ratliff, who is making a difference in Charlotte - And why? Because he's getting minutes that he couldn't get in San Antonio. All the more frustrating because all Tim needs is a dude next to him with a big body who can rebound and protect the rim. Folks, that's exaclty who Theo is. Yet Pop traded him.
It's all on Popovich.
And Manu is no idiot. I'm telling you, if Manu played with LeBron James, they would go 82-0 and sweep the playoffs for the next three years. I have no doubt in my mind about that. People don't realize it, but Manu ginobili has a much greater killer instinct that freaking K. Bryant will ever have. Manu can - and does - kill you in a thousand ways, on both ends of the court.
But if Manu stays with San Antonio...guess who the coach will be? The same guy who leaves Tim stranded on an island to fend for himself. The same guy who tells Tim, "And by the way, Tim, while you're manning the ship all by yourself, please don't get in foul trouble either, because then we're really dead."
Suck ass spurts
stfu you idiot
Even when you were exaggerating a little bit I get your point and I agree.
I don't know what's gonna happen, but re-signing Manu is getting more and more unlikely. If i were him, right now, I wouldn't.
Keep running plays out of timeouts to get your team a shot 23-25 feet from the basket and you'll manage to lose no matter how much talent you've got. How many threes did they take? Was Motta guest coaching tonight?
In my world, it's called Matt Bonner's in da court. His BB IQ example:
I like turtle kid >>>> Forrest Gump >>>>>>>> Matt Bonner >>>> Bogans >>> Mason
My question is, why did he put Manu on Kobe? I knew they wanted to play team defense on Kobe, but I just don't think it's smart to have your main playmaker guard Kobe Bryant. Gotta keep save his energy a bit, no? After all, the guy has been playing insane minutes lately.
It's times like these that I miss Bruce.
Thats the first time he's done that in 2 years though. Normally Fisher plays big minutes no matter how bad he plays or gets torched, and Farmar gets yanked the moment he does anything wrong, no matter how well he's playing. That has literally been the entire past 2 seasons.
There really isn't that much difference between the two coaches. Just personnel. They're both stubborn and illogically loyal to players.
Not true at all.
Grass is always greener, fellas. Everything you complain about with Pop we complain about with Phil.
If Farmar was as awesome as some as you Spurs fans say he is than riddle me this...Why wasn't his contract picked up in the off-season? See, it's only because you follow just 1 team, you suffer from 1 game blindness. Since I live out here in Southern California, I'm forced to hear LAL radio and I see lots of LAL and LAC games as well.
In this game, Pop & Phil both asked the same out of their players and you know how Pop says that this game is about minimizing mistakes? Well, when it got down to it, The Spurs did not and they paid the price. Open 3 pointers to Shannon Brown off Keith Bogans, no hands up, and Kobe getting a very easy 3 off a RJ complete brain fart rotation which resulted in a teaching/yell at RJ timeout, started the Lakers momentum.
Come on Man In Black..no hands up?..he's THE CENTERPIECE!!..he can play defense however the he chooses to do so..
I hate Bogans.
In fact, I'll post it in his loving parade thread wich resulted in a hate parade of course, right now.
the centerpiece, just because you're called that doesn't mean that that alone is going to scare the opposition into bad play. When Bruce was put out on an island, he relished the chance to play as physical a defense as possible. See, Bogans doesn't do that. He doesn't relish the chance, he says he does, but there is no way in , that a scrub like Brown gets off a 2nd 3 pointer uncontested with Bowen. So again, Pop is trying to put players in the right place...but they just don't execute with any reliable precision. While that might get a W against a short-handed GSW, against the LAL, you need to do it every-time, like it's the tide coming in. But you would think that this late in the game, that Bogans would know that. Perchance, that's why he's been on so many teams?
What's your point though? Manu is far out our best player right now and we still haven't offered an extension. And BTW, I'm not saying Farmar is awesome, he's just a better matchup against a quick guy like Hill than a washed up Fisher who was also having a bad game (getting frustrated and in foul trouble). Now, you riddle me this: How many more games you need to see that Mason and Bogans are complete and utter garbage? How many more minutes we need to give them to show you something they haven't shown in two seasons in one case, and a season in the other?
But he's not afraid to play them. I've watched my good share of Laker games this season, and I've seen enough minutes handed to Powell, Mbenga, Farmar, Vujacich, Brown... all young kids that had a chance to fight for a spot or two on the rotation. Morrison is the only human victory cigar. Everybody else, due to injuries to other players or otherwise, were handed a good dose of minutes here and there throughout the season, and now Jackson knows what he has on each.
No, but he put guys who knowingly choke on command the minute a big game comes on the court and allowed them to jack up brick after brick. The world knows what Bonner and Mason will do when it's a tough battle and the chips are all in. Let's find out what the young guys like Hairston, Ian, and even Blair will do in these situations.
Yeah, Pop has been quite the coach these days. However, I have to lay a lot of the blame on our franchise player in Timmy D. I bet if he'd put a little fire under Pop's ass then we'd see positive changes. C'mon, he's the leader of this team and has to be the voice. Who else? Do you honestly think that Kobe, Lebron, KG, etc. would stand for these bull rotations? Lack of effort by these scrub teammates?
Put Kobe in a Spurs uniform....he'd bench Bonner, Bogans, & Mason himself. Trust.
By playin 6'7 Blair on Gasul when you got a young healthy Ian that we waited yrs 2 see sittin on da dam bench! STFU. He aint did but kill us all year!
pop put this team in every position to win, just like he has many times already this season
Well, Powell and Mbenga barely play at all when Bynum is healthy. A couple spot minutes at best. But thats because they suck, not because Phil won't give them a chance.
Sasha and Farmar have both been on the team for going 4 years now, they aren't kids. And they've both gotten benched for long periods of time as soon as their play started to slip even a little bit. Sasha plays so tentatively as soon as he gets in the game now, he's so afraid to do anything wrong because of how quickly Jackson relegates him to the doghouse.
Brown has a pretty long leash with PJ, yes.
But Farmar for some reason is Jackson's whipping boy. Phil has no choice but to give him minutes because he's the backup 1 and Fisher can't play 48 every night, no matter how much Phil wants him to. But he gets yanked and yelled at almost immediately for making the same mistake Fisher will make with no consequence.
All i'm saying is these statements:
He didn't care that Fish is the vet and Farmar the kiddo. Sometimes you have to recognize players being in a slump or having a bad night and try something else.Just arent applicable to the Lakers under Phil, on a general basis. He is as quick with the yank as anyone in the league. Its not just Greg Popovic who won't give players a chance to screw up and redeem themselves.(Phil and Jerry) both coaches that aren't afraid to give young players opportunities to perform without fear of being yanked
Pop
But also :
- poor decision making in the 2nd half; too many jacked up 3's
- horrible rotation defense
Spurs lived by the three in the first half.
Spurs died by the three in the second.
I get you, that's why I said 'because of injuries or otherwise'. We had Bonner injured with a broken hand this season and neither Mahinmi (save for a single game against NJ) or Ratliff received any meaningful playing time.Well, Powell and Mbenga barely play at all when Bynum is healthy. A couple spot minutes at best. But thats because they suck, not because Phil won't give them a chance.
Parker went down, and Mason picked up the bulk of the minutes for really no reason, since he's been sucking up a storm for a long time now. Meanwhile, athletic guys like Hairston watch from the sidelines.
I equate Sasha to Mason, in that they've been in the league for 3 or 4 years and they're relatively young. And as you point out, Phil is not hesitant to glue Sasha's ass to the bench when he starts sucking and plays somebody else instead. Mason instead has seen a resurgence since Tony went down and he asked to be traded. And he hasn't earned any of those minutes with his play.
Here they're the same. The 'favorite role player' guy. Much like Pop and Hill.
At least Phil plays Farmar who is a point guard. Even if we were to argue that Mason plays out of necessity, he's being set up to fail because he's not a PG. His handles flat out suck.
I agree there are similarities. I'm not saying everything is flat out different. However, when it comes to adjusting because a player is sucking up a storm, Phil is much more willing to give one of his kids a shot.
They both have clearly defined roles and they both aren't playing those roles well. Mason OK City game was the last game he played good in about 2 months. Bogans has a tendency to play defense complacent. I'm with you there. I like Hairston's athleticism so in the respect, I think Pop should give him some early minutes.Now, you riddle me this: How many more games you need to see that Mason and Bogans are complete and utter garbage? How many more minutes we need to give them to show you something they haven't shown in two seasons in one case, and a season in the other?
I know I missed this, but where did this term, "centerpiece" originate, in reference to Bogans?
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