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it was the 6th game in 9 nights for a 33 year old power forward. calm down.
That beautiful jumper and post game that characterized his early season revival are now a distant memory. It's tough to watch, but his body is done.
Yes, Tim's averaging a career low in minutes this season, but it's what he's been asked to do that's the key issue here. He must set a million screens a game, anchor the defense, and bang inside/carry most of the scoring load. I, and probably a lot of you, got spoiled after Tim's amazing start and took it for granted.
The problem with Tim's offense is this:
The truth is that his quickness and lift are gone. He can't get by anyone. Unfortunately, he's now also too lean/weak to get solid position in the post or back down decent defenders. So any post-up situation ends up with him tossing up a difficult shot. Some nights they go in (Atlanta), but most nights they haven't. Add this to the fact that his jumpshot and bankshot are abysmally off (presumably due to knee problems and not getting good enough lift) you can see why he's looked so awful on offense.
It was great watching Tim produce 20 and 10 night after night while it lasted. Those days are gone and we just have to accept it.
Our ONLY hope this season is for Manu to keep playing at this level, for Tony to suddenly regain his 2008-2009 form, RJ to run back to Milwaukee and grab his nutsack, and Keith Bogans and George Hill (yes, Hill) to stop playing such garbage perimeter D.
Should be an interesting finish.
it was the 6th game in 9 nights for a 33 year old power forward. calm down.
x 1,000,000
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our only hope this season is for manu to keep playing at this level, for tony to suddenly regain his 2008-2009 form, rj to run back to new jersey and grab his nutsack, and keith bogans and george hill (yes, hill) to stop playing such garbage perimeter d.
Should be an interesting finish.
Are you guys really still calling Duncan a power forward? It's not 1999 anymore. He's a center all the way.
http://www.82games.com/0910/09SAS15.HTM#bypos
Maybe we could just sticky a "Timmy Sucks" thread at the top of the page a la the "Kobe Walks on Water" sticky in the NBA Forum...save the repe ive posters the trouble.
Though, admittedly, the OP in THIS thread WAS the most well-written.
Center or Power Forward who gives a crap. The player will not alter their play according to their position. Duncan will do what Duncan has done at the 4 or 5. It's really irrelevant.
Not really.
Duncan is the 'greatest power forward ever' even though he's played more minutes at center in his career and only played the 4 when he was younger because the Spurs already had a hall of famer at center.
You put Timmy in the center category, which is where he really belongs and you're talking Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Moses and oh yeah that Tim Duncan guy.
Uhh.... Yes really..
Tim was more multifaceted and versatile than any of those players you mentioned. He possesses the skills of a forward and a center. None of those players can say the same. The closest is Hakeem. Tim is versatile in the sense where he can be considered either a center or power forward.
First, who gives a whether hes a center or pf, hes a top 10 all time regardless.
Second, if you count him as a center it would go RUSSELL, Kareem, Wilt, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Moses.
Shaq and Duncan are incredibly different in the way they play, but they both dominated. If Shaq ever gets a 5th ring, especially if its before Duncan, then he may move past him. But not only has his play gone way south since 05-06 but hes not played a full season since then either.
Wilt was a stat padding jackass who should have won 5+ les and didn't. I hate Wilt. But he has to be on there.
Hakeem has three GREAT seasons and a ton of good ones. If not for the two jordan-less les he wouldn't be on this list imo.
i am kind of tired of tim's pathetic post moves where all he does is go right. He also needs to spend more time lifting weights because he cant get any positon down low, although it's too late now. Duncan breaking down is pretty bad news as no one else on the spurs can score down low.
I'm not saying he sucks. I'm just saying he can't do the 20 and 10 thing every night like he used to. His body won't let him. Those "stupid" shots that people complain about are the result of him physically being unable to get good position on/get around his defender.
I will say this though...I'm still surprised that they aren't falling. Tim has never been one to have good shot selection. Even in his MVP years he took tough shots, he just made most of them. Now they're not falling for some reason. I've seen more of his jumpers/post shots rattle in and out this year than any year before. It's probably got something to do with the fact that EVERY shot he shoots is contested. I rarely see him take open jumpers anymore.
+ over 9000
Eeryone knows he is a center but either way ... he is 3rd best beind Kareem and Hakeem in my lifetime ...just ahead of Shaq ...that is grat company ...
aT PF he is the all-time best but he only played that for 3 real seasons ...the other centers he played with were true PF's or place holder centers for Horry etc to come in and play the key minutes ...and horry is no center.
What's he averaging now that the days of 20 and 10 are gone? You know, while playing career low minutes? Let me pop over to NBA.com...
Oh I see. He's now only a 18 and 10 guy at 5 less minutes per game than his career average. Put that guy out to pasture, cause he's DONE.
You realize that this would be the natural amount of games in the playoffs?
Tims not wearing Tim out. The FO is.
Please look up his stats post-ASG. Specifically, look up rebounds and FG%. You might be surprised.
Tim doesn't really even want to shoot it anymore. How many times have you seen him pass up an open jumper or inexplicably kick the ball out of the post when you were sure he'd shoot it? Why is he taking so few shots with Tony out?
Confidence, nothing more nothing less. His confidence isn't there psychologically. Tim has had a stretch of such every season since 05 roughly, so it's nothing new.
When Tim Duncan averages 23 ppg and 12 rpg as the Spurs are swept out in the first round of the 2010 playoffs, those who've been writing him off are going to be really confused.
More like it's not 2008 anymore? He's always been a power forward, but what are you going to do when there's no center on your team? Now that Oberto is gone, he's the only realistic center.
From 1997-2006, Duncan played alongside centers -- David Robinson, Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed -- who played more minutes at the 5 than Duncan did.
If Duncan has begun playing more minutes as a center than as a power forward, that's a relatively late-in-his-career development. I'm not sure that such a change amounts to him having "played more minutes at center in his career."
It's interesting as well that Tim Duncan, the center, has been elected to start 11 straight All-Star games as a forward, not a center.
Besides, I'm not sure who really gets to decide which guy is a center and which guy is a power forward. When the Warriors play a lineup of Anthony Tolliver, Anthony Morrow, Corey Maggette, Steph Curry, and Monta Ellis, who is the center in that group? Is there a center? Does there have to be a center. Allocating minutes to a player as "a center" seems more a matter of bookkeeping convenience than anything else. And, in at least some instances, its a fairly arbitrary allocation.
But if you're inclined to suggest that Tim Duncan isn't "the best" something or other, one convenient way to do that is to put him into a different positional category by arbitrarily skewing numbers in your favor and then seeking to diminish his place in history, however revisionist that history might be.
Co-signed.
You're trying too hard to be the guy who leads the "front office sucks!" movement. You're not even making sense anymore.
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