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    Your supposed to run deficits when your working your way out of the Bush recession, the worst in the history of the U.S. since the great depression...
    Deficit spending I think is acceptable for economic downturns and war. The debt should otherwise be paid down. So why did Clinton have deficit spending?

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    The debt should otherwise be paid down
    Exactly, but Bush gave the rich tax cuts and the old free pills instead, all while charging two wars to our kids credit cards...

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    Your supposed to run deficits when your working your way out of the Bush recession, the worst in the history of the U.S. since the great depression...
    But we're out of the recession. The stimulus worked. Didn't you get the memo?

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    So why did Clinton have deficit spending?
    Because you just can't cut out all non-discretionary spending, its a monster that once rolling is hard to stop, but Clinton did raise taxes and when he walked out of office on Jan 2000 there was officially a budget surplus projection for the first time in decades...

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    But we're out of the recession. The stimulus worked. Didn't you get the memo?
    Even though there is growth in the economy there is still a lot skepticism in the markets, especially the banks, and private lending...without credit there is little growth...

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    Because you just can't cut out all non-discretionary spending, its a monster that once rolling is hard to stop, but Clinton did raise taxes and when he walked out of office on Jan 2000 there was officially a budget surplus projection for the first time in decades...
    Yep, raising taxes was one of the causes of our economic downturn.

    Raising taxes gives only a temporary boost in revenue. When the economy adjusts to a higher tax rate, revenues decline.

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    Yep, raising taxes was one of the causes of our economic downturn.

    Raising taxes gives only a temporary boost in revenue. When the economy adjusts to a higher tax rate, revenues decline.
    ....one would think, however, there is plenty of evidence that raising taxes actually had little effect of growth, even regulating it so that it didn't overheat like under Dubya, after all, more than 2-3% growth is inflationary...also, by projecting payments of the debt, it made investors much more at ease knowing that the U.S. was getting serious about its deficits...lending at a very generous 1%, basically, free money...

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    When will you stop being an idiot?

    War costs are authorized by cons ution.
    Except for the fact that Bush administration lied about Iraq and misled everyone into a war.


    Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11, no wmd's, and you know what? It's plain as ing day that it doesn't matter if Iraq has WMD's, North Korea has WMD's, are we going to war with them too? Everyone that might have WMD?

    Why is Iraq so special? Give me a ing break. You and I know that half of the Bush administration was there for George H Bush the father's term, and they wanted to go back and finish the job they didn't finish in Desert Storm.

    It was about $$$, oil, etc.

    [b]THEY DIDNT EVEN GIVE A ABOUT AFGHANISTAN. We had a small little war, then bam, IRAQ time. And all of our forces basically went to Iraq and we ignored Afghanistan. We had more police officers in New York City than we had soldiers in Afghanistan.

    They ing lied to the country, and they all need to be tried for treason and other crimes.


    So yeah, running up a deficit on a fake war is a pretty big ing problem


    I have no ing idea how you can defend Bush, WildCobra. You are being dishonest or just not ing paying attention.

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    I'm at the point that I don't give a what Obama does anymore

    I hope he keeps up more en lements for the people of the country, and if it runs this country bankrupt, THEN GOOD.

    the wealthy pieces of in this country that get everything they want, and keep ing lying and abusing the people who built this country.

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    Exactly, but Bush gave the rich tax cuts and the old free pills instead, all while charging two wars to our kids credit cards...
    If the rich pay most of the taxes and he gives everyone who pays taxes a tax cut, then yeah the rich would get a tax cut. should he have villianized rich people like we are in some kind of marxist class struggle? Just to get other's to vote for him by putting americans against americans for him and his party's gain?
    How much from the total of those credit cards are going to be from Barry? If another country attacks us, will barry start spending money to rebuild up our military or maintain the military as the only govt area seeing budget cuts?

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    I'm at the point that I don't give a what Obama does anymore

    I hope he keeps up more en lements for the people of the country, and if it runs this country bankrupt, THEN GOOD.

    the wealthy pieces of in this country that get everything they want, and keep ing lying and abusing the people who built this country.
    Who exactly built this country? The americans who went to the gold rush of california to set up businesses for the americans going for gold built this country. ford, gillette, heinz, and herb(southwest) all have great stories of creating companies from near nothing which impact our countries and millions of americans too. My question is would all these innovative thinkers had created the same thing with a big government type? Are we losing these great innovative thinkers from the size of our government now? Is welfare, govt. en lement programs, keeping too many americans from realizing their potential and thereby creating something that benefits the entire country and world?

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    some ( i know the history of some, but some of those you listed I don't) of those companies you named were ing patriotic. guys like Henry Ford were humble, good people, who suffered in their lives. I believe Henry Ford went bankrupt several times before he made Ford? and how about you go look up how well Ford treated his employees?

    the pieces of running the companies NOW are trust fund babies who had silver spoons in their mouths their whole lives. selfish little ers who outsource american JOBS to other countries, refuse to raise salaries to match rising cost of living, and overwork their employees in efforts to cut costs and increase profits.

    instead of selling more products, they just cut costs - fire employees, refuse benefits, outsource labor, outsource services.... it's a corrupt way of thinking that will continue to cripple this country.
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    Bush administration ing MISLED THIS COUNTRY into a false war, that raped our economy and deficit..

    and yet here these ing republicans are whining about obama.

    that. Republicans get to spend spend spend and implement THEIR policies while the Democrats have to fix their mess and not do ?


    No it.

    Democrats go right ahead and spend spend spend too.

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    Bush administration ing MISLED THIS COUNTRY into a false war, that raped our economy and deficit..

    and yet here these ing republicans are whining about obama.

    that. Republicans get to spend spend spend and implement THEIR policies while the Democrats have to fix their mess and not do ?


    No it.

    Democrats go right ahead and spend spend spend too.
    it seems you don't have a clue here my friend. Obama was the initiator who incited all these blames and criticisms against bush, he has been doing this since his campaign despite that he hasn't done anything brighter either. The deficit still grows, which differs from what he promised during his series of orotund speeches.

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    Q) How do you know when a lib 's pussy is sore?

    A) When they change a thread to a Bush Bashing festival.

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    some ( i know the history of some, but some of those you listed I don't) of those companies you named were ing patriotic. guys like Henry Ford were humble, good people, who suffered in their lives. I believe Henry Ford went bankrupt several times before he made Ford? and how about you go look up how well Ford treated his employees?

    the pieces of running the companies NOW are trust fund babies who had silver spoons in their mouths their whole lives. selfish little ers who outsource american JOBS to other countries, refuse to raise salaries to match rising cost of living, and overwork their employees in efforts to cut costs and increase profits.

    instead of selling more products, they just cut costs - fire employees, refuse benefits, outsource labor, outsource services.... it's a corrupt way of thinking that will continue to cripple this country.
    Obama only cites and magnifies bush's errors to soothe the distresses of his own, which differs from the folk's motives to lambaste bush, the pure hatred against a noob who savaged the country's prosperity. Bush is well worth the hatred and vilification but it just easily looks like another political drama when it involves BHO who's the president in office.

    Shipping the jobs overseas? that's not Bush's fault either. in fact american employers have been doing this for roughly 2 decades and the decisions weren't made by any term of goverment, instead they were mostly prompted by the businessmens' natural instincts of seeking cheaper labours which didn't have much to do with government.

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    I'm at the point that I don't give a what Obama does anymore

    I hope he keeps up more en lements for the people of the country, and if it runs this country bankrupt, THEN GOOD.

    the wealthy pieces of in this country that get everything they want, and keep ing lying and abusing the people who built this country.
    why did you immigrate into this country then? as long as you aren't yet too old to be unmovable, you are welcome to leave if you hate it this badly.

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    it seems you don't have a clue here my friend. Obama was the initiator who incited all these blames and criticisms against bush, he has been doing this since his campaign despite that he hasn't done anything brighter either. The deficit still grows, which differs from what he promised during his series of orotund speeches.
    what the ?

    LOL

    are you trying to say that Obama started this "blame bush" thing?

    where the have oyu been since 2003?

    holy . Bush has been hated since before the 2004 re-election. he's been a ing corrupt piece of for a long time and people have been wanting him impeached for a long time now. you have no ing clue

    obama is just repeating what everyone has been saying. are you living under a ing rock?

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    why did you immigrate into this country then? as long as you aren't yet too old to be unmovable, you are welcome to leave if you hate it this badly.
    i am an american, dip . born in california, i didn't immigrate anywhere

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    Q) How do you know when a lib 's pussy is sore?

    A) When they change a thread to a Bush Bashing festival.
    I voted for McCain.

    I am not even ing close to being a liberal, nice ing try clown

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    i am an american dip . born in california, i didn't immigrate anywhere
    how come you're a Heat fan then? you've got bags of basketball teams in california most of which have better histories than Miami Heat, are you a troll?

    and you really needn't underestimate yourself so hard, my friend.

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    I voted for McCain.

    I am not even ing close to being a liberal, nice ing try clown
    If you say so.

    Voting for a liberal republican really means you aren't a Liberal.

    I get it. You just voted for the Liberal instead of the Marxist.

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    Obama only cites and magnifies bush's errors to soothe the distresses of his own, which differs from the folk's motives to lambaste bush, the pure hatred against a noob who savaged the country's prosperity. Bush is well worth the hatred and vilification but it just easily looks like another political drama when it involves BHO who's the president in office.
    Ok, fine.

    But Obama still does have a legitimate argument though. These are 8 years of Bush problems, that he now has to deal with. Bush did DO this, this is not Obama's war, this is Bush's ty war. This is not Obama's economy, this is Bush's.

    Bush ran this country into the ing ground, in almost every way possible. Even in foreign diplomacy, the s bag Bush squandered and abused the world's sympathy of 9/11, and the DECADES old trust of American intelligence, he squandered all of it.

    Underfunded policies, which were a joke to begin with, like No Child Left Behind, a ing moronic policy of epic proportions to start with, WASNT EVEN PROPERLY ING FUNDED

    the list is so long, i get angry just ing thinking that this piece of and cheney and rove and rumsfeld are all walking free and clear today.

    Shipping the jobs overseas? that's not Bush's fault either. in fact american employers have been doing this for roughly 2 decades and the decisions weren't made by any term of goverment, instead they were mostly prompted by the businessmens' natural instincts of seeking cheaper labours which didn't have much to do with government.
    Go look it up. The rapid trend of outsourcing jobs happened under Bush's got watch. It might have happened before, but it happened in a massive scale during Bush's watch.

    He did NOTHING to slow it down or stop it.

    Facts are ing facts. Those are companies providing AMERICANS with services and products, so those JOBS should belong to AMERICANS. PERIOD.

    It has to ing stop. If you want to be a company, operating in the United States, you cannot massively outsource your labor. Period.

    All of this global capitalism garbage only makes CORPORATIONS AND PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS wealthy, while it promotes uneven trade, such as the relationship between China and the USA. and don't ing tell me that cheap labor outside of USA is cheaper, so cheaper products. THERE SHOULD NOT EVEN BE A ING NEED TO OUTSOURCE LABOR. USA was once an industrial powerhouse, what the happened? We used to manufacture our own . Our country is diseased with ty GREEDY thinking.

    This is like giving someone a disease like AIDS, then telling them don't worry, the pills to keep you alive are cheap. Why don't we cure the disease in the first place?

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    If you say so.

    Voting for a liberal republican really means you aren't a Liberal.

    I get it. You just voted for the Liberal instead of the Marxist.
    what is your definition of a liberal? and why are you perpetuating these stupid stereotypes?

    Why must one be "liberal or conservative"

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    what the ?

    LOL

    are you trying to say that Obama started this "blame bush" thing?

    where the have oyu been since 2003?

    holy . Bush has been hated since before the 2004 re-election. he's been a ing corrupt piece of for a long time and people have been wanting him impeached for a long time now. you have no ing clue

    obama is just repeating what everyone has been saying. are you living under a ing rock?
    why don't you lift up your lips to check how much Obama is now criticized before flattering him? Obama doesn't have any idle time to waste on internet so he wouldn't be seeing how hard you love him anyway. in fact every governor in office has to be the receiver of considerable criticisms which are often mixed with malicious insults, bush just got his guaranteed share of bricks and obama isn't receiving any less i believe. The clumsiness of Obama is just he acts like a prig who shirks his own share of criticisms and tries to clump it onto the account of his predecessor.

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