CBO report: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP

[MiamiHeat]

how can i love obama if I voted for McCain?

epic fail

[Wild Cobra]

what is your definition of a liberal? and why are you perpetuating these stupid stereotypes?

Why must one be "liberal or conservative"

I'm not, other than pointing out your idiocy. I am only going by the stupid way you "Bush Bash." It's really lib ed. President Bush has done plenty wrong, but the way he is blamed is flat out moronic. He has done enough wrong you guys don't need to lie about what he did. The truth is damning enough. If all you understand are the propagandized lies, then you deserve to be called a lib .

Does glorifying how Toys R Us was owned by a fake PS3 coupon reflect conservative values? To obtain such information hours after the crime is telling about you also. Where did you get the picture of the coupon anyway? A best friend maybe? You? Did you commit the crime?

[MiamiHeat]

I'm not, other than pointing out your idiocy. I am only going by the stupid way you "Bush Bash." It's really lib ed. President Bush has done plenty wrong, but the way he is blamed is flat out moronic. He has done enough wrong you guys don't need to lie about what he did. The truth is damning enough. If all you understand are the propagandized lies, then you deserve to be called a lib .

Or is it because the message is the ing truth, no matter who says it?

If Person A and Person B observe a problem, and both complain about it accurately, they are bound to sound similar.

Doesn't mean Person A = Person B or that they share the same ideology

Does glorifying how Toys R Us was owned by a fake PS3 coupon reflect conservative values? To obtain such information hours after the crime is telling about you also. Where did you get the picture of the coupon anyway? A best friend maybe? You? Did you commit the crime?

http://boards.4chan.org/b/

It's a "Random" board that is famous on the internet, people post all sorts of and talk about all sorts of things.

someone posted it there and it circulated the internet until I saw it


at you

[Wild Cobra]

http://boards.4chan.org/b/

It's a "Random" board that is famous on the internet, people post all sorts of and talk about all sorts of things.

someone posted it there and it circulated the internet until I saw it


at you

Looks like a board for losers.

[MiamiHeat]

Looks like a board for losers.

Maybe, I never judged them, but funny nonetheless.

I don't discriminate for my lols

[ElNono]

It was an issue under Bush but now it doesn't matter right. My guess is when we get to 120-130% of GDP you will be saying "Oh Noes!" regardless of which party is in power.

It's been an issue for a bunch of decades... why start panicking now?

[ElNono]

Right. There's no need to worry. When was the last time too much debt got anyone in trouble?

Maybe it's not time to panic, but damn, we've got to at least acknowledge that sooner or later this is going to have to be dealt with. Something that the current administration shows no signs of taking seriously.

Why would they take it seriously? They're just going to kick it forward like pretty much every other administration that came before it.

[Winehole23]

Until somebody kicks us back. The rest of the world won't put up with this forever. The longer we postpone our obligations, the harder the eventual kick will be.

[MannyIsGod]

What does the CBO think is the at the heart of this debt?


The question is rhetorical, don't bother answering. Just remember the answer and consider all the hard work the GOP put into health care reform.

[MannyIsGod]

Until somebody kicks us back. The rest of the world won't put up with this forever. The longer we postpone our obligations, the harder the eventual kick will be.

No, they'll do it until there is a bigger better kid on the block. Unfortunetly for the world, that still isn't the case. Wake me up when China doesn't have to peg their currency and then maybe I'll be more concerned.

[Winehole23]

Market forces are bigger than us.

[MannyIsGod]

At one point they were and they will be at one point again but they aren't right now. Remember, we fell down, but everyone else fell down HARDER.

[MannyIsGod]

In fact some are still falling

[MannyIsGod]

There I go again with WH style.

[MannyIsGod]

Its fun, you should try it.

[Winehole23]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...atestheadlines

[Winehole23]

Unrelated?

[peteee]

Ok, fine.

But Obama still does have a legitimate argument though. These are 8 years of Bush problems, that he now has to deal with. Bush did DO this, this is not Obama's war, this is Bush's ty war. This is not Obama's economy, this is Bush's.

Bush ran this country into the ing ground, in almost every way possible. Even in foreign diplomacy, the s bag Bush squandered and abused the world's sympathy of 9/11, and the DECADES old trust of American intelligence, he squandered all of it.

Underfunded policies, which were a joke to begin with, like No Child Left Behind, a ing moronic policy of epic proportions to start with, WASNT EVEN PROPERLY ING FUNDED

the list is so long, i get angry just ing thinking that this piece of and cheney and rove and rumsfeld are all walking free and clear today.

the limp economy wasn't solely generated by the war though, maybe the war aggravated it to some degree but it's just not the only source of all evils and it's pretty sure Bush wasn't the culprit who opened pandora's box.

In fact the has never lived a full decade free from wars I tell you, and America has to get involved in the wars every time one breaks out because as the world's most respectable and most powerful country America is always obliged to such sacred duties of sustaining a relative peace around the globe. America only starts wars when a war is inevitable and the only purpose is to regain peace, which is quite different than a tyranny the Iraq war was launched against.

On behalf of the US, war isn't necessarily a bad thing either. The problem is the war has cost too much more than originally expected, which might have contributed some weight to help sag the ship, but that's definitely not like impaling a hole that sinks the ship intentionally. Taxpayer dollars just need a way to be spent and there isn't any other means more costing than a war. A war creates considerable jobs in some certain industries like auto, medical, ore quarrying etc., and simultaneously it pumps GDP and economic growth. Whereas if the money is stashed then vulnerably some venal scandals are probably going to be flourishing.

Go look it up. The rapid trend of outsourcing jobs happened under Bush's got watch. It might have happened before, but it happened in a massive scale during Bush's watch.

He did NOTHING to slow it down or stop it.

Facts are ing facts. Those are companies providing AMERICANS with services and products, so those JOBS should belong to AMERICANS. PERIOD.

It has to ing stop. If you want to be a company, operating in the United States, you cannot massively outsource your labor. Period.

All of this global capitalism garbage only makes CORPORATIONS AND PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS wealthy, while it promotes uneven trade, such as the relationship between China and the USA. and don't ing tell me that cheap labor outside of USA is cheaper, so cheaper products. THERE SHOULD NOT EVEN BE A ING NEED TO OUTSOURCE LABOR. USA was once an industrial powerhouse, what the happened? We used to manufacture our own . Our country is diseased with ty GREEDY thinking.

This is like giving someone a disease like AIDS, then telling them don't worry, the pills to keep you alive are cheap. Why don't we cure the disease in the first place?

the job outsourcing wasn't started under GWB's term though. in fact it had been in existence for decades since before bush sworn into the house. I'm also quite an advocate who believes American jobs should be retained inboard, no matter you believe or not, I just don't think bush is the guy to blame for the vicious chain. Bush didn't start the chain and he just did exactly the same re ed job his predecessors and successor all did and continues doing.

You would be nuts if you complain about the unfairness in trades between US and china I say. Basically it has been those asians who get raped because they are so re ed to stash the dollars, something that can easily be turned trashes by the American central bank or the federal reserve bank. America just carried a big number in deficit while those asian labours got their efforts drained by American consumers, and you can easily tell who get raped in the trades.

it's just a win-win deal for both America and the 3rd-world countries to exchange their resources. The problem is we've got so many class 1 re s who don't even want to buy any good from America, with the money they earned from America which in the end generates such an extravagant imbalance.

Americans just are mostly inured to wealthy lives so that it's now really hard for employers to get any American to do some menial job the former generation used to do, that's also the reason why immigrants are showering in. Technologies have developed a lot and there aren't so many menial jobs as there used to be, but there are still some jobs out there that are repellant to roughly all the 300 million true Americans who are used to considering themselves noble men superior to the citizens of other countries including some European countries even. Although the technology is so developed we can even arrive on the moon, you still haven't got a robot to wash the dish.

[Winehole23]

America is always obliged to such sacred duties of sustaining a relative peace around the globe. America only starts wars when a war is inevitable and the only purpose is to regain peace

Bush didn't start the chain and he just did exactly the same re ed job his predecessors and successor all did and continues doing.

Basically it has been those asians who get raped because they are so re ed to stash the dollars, something that can easily be turned trashes by the American central bank or the federal reserve bank.

[Winehole23]

it's just a win-win deal for both America and the 3rd-world countries to exchange their resources.

[Winehole23]

but there are still some jobs out there that are repellant to roughly all the 300 million true Americans who are used to considering themselves noble men superior to the citizens of other countries including some European countries even. Although the technology is so developed we can even arrive on the moon, you still haven't got a robot to wash the dish.

[MiamiHeat]

there is so much wrong with the thinking in business in this country


why the is it OK to accept a corporation acting like a greedy piece of ?

"it's natural for them to want to increase their profits"

yeah no ing . and it was also once natural to expect people to DO THE RIGHT THING.

has the United States turned into a place where we think it's OK to ing over people because it's good business sense?

You know what is also good business sense? Slave labor. Doesn't mean we should ing do it.

so much needs to be changed in america, ugh.

[peteee]

there is so much wrong with the thinking in business in this country


why the is it OK to accept a corporation acting like a greedy piece of ?

"it's natural for them to want to increase their profits"

yeah no ing . and it was also once natural to expect people to DO THE RIGHT THING.

has the United States turned into a place where we think it's OK to ing over people because it's good business sense?

You know what is also good business sense? Slave labor. Doesn't mean we should ing do it.

so much needs to be changed in america, ugh.

some goods just have to be made by hands, like clothes and shoes but Americans demand much bigger paychecks than immigrants and Asians do, and it's also a good deal for cheap labours because they earn their livings by doing this while they would have been starved otherwise.

God doesn't want the existence of such critical exploitation and severe unfairness, but the facts still exist there anyways. Slaves were treated like cattle and didn't get paid for their efforts, while nowadays it's just a fair deal made between labour sellers and buyers. If you want a world where T-Shirts are sold 100 dollar each, then it makes sense you are so sympathetic on those menial workers.

[spursncowboys]

some ( i know the history of some, but some of those you listed I don't) of those companies you named were ing patriotic. guys like Henry Ford were humble, good people, who suffered in their lives. I believe Henry Ford went bankrupt several times before he made Ford? and how about you go look up how well Ford treated his employees?

the pieces of running the companies NOW are trust fund babies who had silver spoons in their mouths their whole lives. selfish little ers who outsource american JOBS to other countries, refuse to raise salaries to match rising cost of living, and overwork their employees in efforts to cut costs and increase profits.

instead of selling more products, they just cut costs - fire employees, refuse benefits, outsource labor, outsource services.... it's a corrupt way of thinking that will continue to cripple this country.

before heinz, people bought ketchup from a can. So they never knew how bad it was. They would buy brand new ketchup, open it, and go through it and get rid of maybe half of it, due to it going bad. Heinz was the first to sell a see through jar of ketchup to show his customers the value of his product.

Henry’s parents taught him thrift rather than greed. He knew nothing of “get rich quick” business schemes and couldn’t bear the thought of ill-gotten gain. Many of his business ideals and principles, almost unheard of at the time, remain progressive to this day. For example, Henry Heinz did business based on the simple idea that every profit should be fairly earned. One of his mottos still guides Heinz’s purchasing practices today: “Deal with the seller so justly that he will want to sell to you again.”

Another driving principle of Henry Heinz’s that resonates in today’s resource-conscious world was his hatred of waste of any kind. Leading by example, he inspired each of his employees to avoid even the slightest waste of material, time or opportunity.

Finally, Henry Heinz learned from his mother a genuine and enduring concern and respect for every person, rich or poor, and always tried to practice her favorite rule for living: “Always remember to place yourself in the other person’s shoes.”

Individually, the principles Henry Heinz instilled in his company can seem simple and almost quaint. Taken together though, they’re an all-too-rare combination in today’s business world. Fortunately, Henry Heinz himself showed that common sense, decency and social justice is a proven recipe for enduring business success.
http://www.heinz.com/our-company/abo...z/history.aspx

[boutons_deux]

"Bush Bashing festival"

dubya's, Repugs', conservatives', neo- s' gifts to the American people was a huge pile of that keeps on giving, a FACT that WC and Repugs want the amnesiac, dumbed down Americans to forget and shift all blame to the Dems who inherited, not created, the pile of .