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    WH, that's not the point. For those tea partiers who want tax cuts from the GOP Santa but none of the spending cuts, sure. But that's not what the OP said.
    I said the Tea Party is quasi-autonomous. What more do you want?

    Again, how is it contradictory? It's only contradictory if you make assumptions. About the people ("they ALL want you to keep the government's hands off their Medicare, lol!") or the policies advocated ("fostering job creation necessarily means an active federal government guiding economic decisionmaking, so they MUST be confused or hypocritical!")
    I think it's reasonable to posit some confusion, hypocrisy and dissembling. Tea partiers are human too. And I doubt it's any big mistake to consider them tendential Republicans. After making a brave show of political independence -- it's fun, right? -- most of them will come back to the reservation.

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    But, I'm glad that Manny is easily amused.
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    Still, I hope they vote for somebody beside the (R)s and (D)s. For once in their lives to vote for their actual beliefs, rather than just voting for power and pelf.

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    Nice, SnakeBoy.

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    Established in 1833, the Whigs are one of America's oldest mainstream political parties. We were the original party of Abraham Lincoln and four other U.S. Presidents.

    Revived by Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, the grassroots movement has quickly[?] new members . We represent the moderate voters from all walks of life who cherry-pick between traditional Republican or Democratic ideals in what has been called the Modern Whig Philosophy. This Washington DC-based national movement values common sense, rational solutions ahead of ideology and partisan bickering.


    This includes general principles of fiscal responsibility, strong national defense and educational/scientific advancement.
    Hmm...


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    A national chair was selected to lead the Modern Whig Party. National Chairman Mike Lebowitz became the first national chair of the Modern Whig Party. Mike Lebowitz is a Washington, D.C. attorney and advocate for veterans' issues. He served in Iraq as an elite paratrooper in the Pathfinder Company of the 101st Airborne Division in the United States Army. He also testified at the United States House and Senate hearings on May 14, 2008 about improving military whistle-blower legislation.

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    On November 2, 2009, the Modern Whig Party ran its first authentic electoral test. Gene L. Baldassari of New Jersey sought a seat in the New Jersey Assembly, representing its Fourteenth District. Mr. Baldassari was defeated in the New Jersey general election.
    He lost.

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    On December 12-13, 2009, the Modern Whig Party held the first national leadership council meeting in Washington DC.

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    These guys need an editor, stat.

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    The term Whig and the Whiggery philosophy went into a great hibernation throughout the twentieth century in the United States of America.

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    A few years after America was established, Whiggery went into hibernation, but in Europe, it helped influence the French Revolution.
    Motif?

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    It's always fun to look at 3rd party websites.

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    The name ‘Whig’ was first derived in Scotland. It was used to describe the Scottish that fought against the British crown in a raid called the Whiggamore Raid during the Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639-1651). These Whigs were a group of people from western Scotland who opposed King Charles I of England in 1648. It was also used to refer to a radical faction of the Scottish Covenanters who called themselves the Kirk Party.




    In the late 1600s, the British Whigs were born in opposition of the succession of the Catholic King James II to the throne. From this opposition, Whiggery, as it is referred to, was born. Whiggery was a philosophy that began as a distinctly oppositional and populist ideology in which it saw political authority stemming from the people. This philosophy was an idea that the people believed that there was a contract existing between them and their King and if their King overrode their interest they might resist. These Whig principles (Whiggism) were hugely responsible for the Glorious Revolution of 1688, which is referred as the Bloodless Revolution in Great Britain. This war assured a Protestant secession and the cons utional supremacy of the Parliament over the king.


    Whiggery was brought to the British colonies in the New World a few years after the Glorious Revolution. The Whiggery philosophy and writings brought about ideas that the colonists had the right to be represented in the British Parliament and that they had the same rights as a citizen in England.
    I'm not sure why, but this cracks me up.

    http://www.modernwhig.org/page2/page10/page10.html

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    I'm more of a whiggism user myself.

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    Not to be confused with wigger.

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    Here you go WineHole...



    Their membership has grown to 10K, their next goal is 20K. Makes sense, a very sensible moderate goal from the moderate party.

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    I'm charmed by the earnest attempt to package Whiggism as a mainstream political taste, but repelled by the selling point: non-partisan cherry-pickism.

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    From there, it's easy to see a worst of both worlds compromise.

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    I actually found myself fascinated by the history,etc. in the write-ups.

    But, WH, your are more than right about one thing...these guys are DESPERATELY in need of a writer and...a different name.

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    I mean, god love 'em, they have to give a history lesson just to explain their name.

    I don't see many Americans sitting still for such a concept.

    Or voting for a 'whig'.

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    I had been considering organizing something more along the lines of fraternal drinking club, with a Whiggish theme. The main problem is identifying candidates with any established interest in Whiggism, but savvy marketing could easily clear that hurdle.

    In principle, recovering Discordians, random freaks and "independent thinkers" of many stripes might actually buy the go-karts, the tawdry fezzes, the bumper-stickers, the t-shirts and coffee mugs for the mere pleasure of having them if they are attractive, funny and well designed.

    Even more, I hope, will stay for the beer, the strong drink and the loud, whiggish fellowship.

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    I had been considering organizing something more along the lines of fraternal drinking club, with a Whiggish theme. The main problem is identifying candidates with any established interest in Whiggism, but savvy marketing could easily clear that hurdle.

    In principle, recovering Discordians, random freaks and "independent thinkers" of many stripes might actually buy the go-karts, the tawdry fezzes, the bumper-stickers, the t-shirts and coffee mugs for the mere pleasure of having them if they are attractive, funny and well designed.

    Even more, I hope, will stay for the beer, the strong drink and the loud, whiggish fellowship.
    dude, you're so above the fray.

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    dude, you barely make any sense.

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    I basically just described the Elks, minus the compulsory veneration of the US armed services.

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