At first, I really thought Manu was still a step behind his 2005 Super-Manu form. Then I started looking closer at the numbers.
2005 Playoffs Total Averages
20.8 points
5.8 rebounds
4.2 assists
1.2 steals
0.3 blocks
2005 Playoffs vs. Suns
22.2 points
6.2 rebounds
4.8 assists
2.0 steals
0.2 blocks
2010 Averages Since Tony Parker was injured (11 games)
23.8 points
4.0 rebounds
5.2 assists
1.2 steals
.09 blocks
Rebounds are down, but points and assists are up. Maybe playoff Manu IS back.
Last edited by Dex; 03-27-2010 at 05:27 PM.
+1you see what i mean, ducks. With every post you become more stupid than before.
Now you wanna rag on manu because he takes a couple of forced threes?
Look at shots attempts.At first, I really thought Manu was still a step behind his 2005 Super-Manu form. Then I started looking closer at the numbers.
2005 Playoffs Total Averages
20.8 points
5.8 rebounds
4.2 assists
1.2 steals
0.3 blocks
2005 Playoffs vs. Suns
22.2 points
6.2 rebounds
4.8 assists
2.0 steals
0.2 blocks
2010 Averages Since Tony Parker was injured (11 games)
23.8 points
4.0 rebounds
5.2 assists
1.2 steals
.09 blocks
Rebounds are down, but points and assists are up. Maybe playoff Manu IS back.
Last edited by DAF86; 03-27-2010 at 08:16 PM.
Yeah, his Field Goal Attempts are up, but that's to be expected with Tony out and Tim struggling, so it's not like he's been ball hogging. In fact, his overall shooting percentage has actually been better. And he's been handing out more assists, in less minutes on the floor.
The real question will be if Manu can keep this production up once Tony comes back into the lineup.
2005 Playoff Manu (23 games)
33.5 minutes per game
145/286 shots
6.30/12.43 shots per game
Field Goal Percentage .507%
2010 Manu since Tony was injured (11 games)
30.9 minutes per game
93/177 shots
8.45 / 16.09 shots per game
Field Goals Percentage .525%
From Marc Stein's Weekend Dime.
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydimeStarting with its home loss to the Lakers on Wednesday night, no team in the league had more games left against teams with winning records than San Antonio.
Which is not good news for the Spurs, given their 17-24 record against winning teams this season.
The silver-and-black lining for San Antonio is what we've seen from Manu Ginobili since Tony Parker was lost for the rest of the regular season on March 6 with a hand injury.
Ginobili is averaging 23.2 points, 5.1 assists and 3.8 rebounds in the 10 games since, prompting one rival executive in the West to say: "Manu has been the best player in the league this month."
That development has not only re-established Ginobili as a free-agent commodity this summer, but also makes the increasingly feasible prospect of a Lakers-Spurs matchup in the first round as tasty as it gets early in the playoffs. All signs point to Parker returning in time for the postseason ... and we've never seen these old rivals meet so early in the Kobe Bryant/Tim Duncan era. Can't deny that I'm selfishly rooting for that matchup in Round 1.
I agree.
Manu is playing great now but he will not sustain it throughout the lenght of the next contract. His window of top play is short and no where near what the next contract will be in time.
Age, wear and tear, international play toll, injuries will come into play and he won't be playing anything near what we have seen the last month.
The spurs will not get the 8th seed, they will be higher.
Thats probably true, but the Spurs couldn't afford the PR hit if they let Ginoboli sign with another team.
You sign players for what they will do in the future not for PR reasons. You don't build a winner that way.
Manu has been exceptional for about 6 weeks now. I still think he lacks a little explosion at the basket compared with his pre-injury form, but that is to be expected as he ages and his body wears down. He's also playing smarter than ever (which is saying something!), and his jumper looks the best it has since his 5-game explosion 2 years ago when TP was out.
Here's to you, Manu.
PS I'd love to see Manu on a 2yr/20mil contract (just like DRob) to play out his career as a Spur and head back to Europe when Tim retires, but I think someone will offer him 4 years 32mil or something. I'd probably go to 3yr/24mil.
Ducks you are a bozo and have known you to be that even SR Days, now I see you here posting that same bs. I swear you are a clown with no life at all.
GO DUNCAN, GO MANU, GET WELL PARKER and GO SPURS!!!!!!! YES go to le #5 for all I care, infact I would love it.
Good to see you, Ruff.Manu has been exceptional for about 6 weeks now. I still think he lacks a little explosion at the basket compared with his pre-injury form, but that is to be expected as he ages and his body wears down. He's also playing smarter than ever (which is saying something!), and his jumper looks the best it has since his 5-game explosion 2 years ago when TP was out.
Here's to you, Manu.
PS I'd love to see Manu on a 2yr/20mil contract (just like DRob) to play out his career as a Spur and head back to Europe when Tim retires, but I think someone will offer him 4 years 32mil or something. I'd probably go to 3yr/24mil.
I pretty much agree with everything you said, as it pertains to Manu's play and the overall sentiment, and I'm glad you pointed out '08; most seem to jump straight to '05 when talking Manu greatness and overlook that year because of how it ended.
Manu, for a good stretch there before his injury, was the most dominant player he's ever been. He was more spectacular in '05 because of where he was athletically, physically, and because he peaked during money time (the playoffs) but for a stretch in '08, before the injury, he hit his absolute athletic peak where the athleticism and intellect met at their highest levels they ever would.
IMO, he's looked more like that player because the a en/intelligence in his game takes a higher precedent than the physicality/explosiveness of '05.
I'm drunk ... I'm not sure that even made sense . . .
Here's the boxscore to one of my favorite Manu games ever (in '08).
You, too, Blackjack. I've enjoyed your THC campaign... in more ways than one!Good to see you, Ruff.
I pretty much agree with everything you said, as it pertains to Manu's play and the overall sentiment, and I'm glad you pointed out '08; most seem to jump straight to '05 when talking Manu greatness and overlook that year because of how it ended.
Manu, for a good stretch there before his injury, was the most dominant player he's ever been. He was more spectacular in '05 because of where he was athletically, physically, and because he peaked during money time (the playoffs) but for a stretch in '08, before the injury, he hit his absolute athletic peak where the athleticism and intellect met at their highest levels they ever would.
IMO, he's looked more like that player because the a en/intelligence in his game takes a higher precedent than the physicality/explosiveness of '05.
I'm drunk ... I'm not sure that even made sense . . .
Here's the boxscore to one of my favorite Manu games ever (in '08).
to Hairston - I like this kid for a regular in our swing rotation next year.
On Manu you made perfect sense. And yeah, the emboldened bit above perfectly encapsulates what I was getting at. The really pleasant surprise for me is the return of Manu's driving game, because until Feb he was rarely getting by anyone at all and to me it looked like his legs had lost a step, along with most of their explosiveness. However, I think that right now he's athletically at about 90% of his pre-injury form, and that's more than enough to make him dynamic again in combination with his smarts, passing and shooting.
He's simply a joy to watch at the moment, as he has been most of his career when healthy.
he has for like a while now
ducks sucks
Naw naw that's ignorant. The playoffs aren't here yet
he has been playing great lately though
+1000000000000000000000000.
It's so boring.
US vs THEM dichotomies are completely counterproductive in all parts of life. Tony vs Manu is just one very small example.
I was talking about Parker in that post, but Manu too will most likely get overpaid this offseason. I would love to bring him back at 2-3 mill per year, but he's probably going to get offers for more than that, maybe he'll take less to stay with the Spurs
How many times have you said that Manu won't regain his 2005 playoff form ever again? What makes you so sure you'll be right now when you've been wrong every time before. No offense rascal, but your track record doesn't say much for your prediction skills.
His track record is outstanding!
He predicted every rival would beat the Spurs in their 2005 playoff run up until the finals against DET, where he finally got it right.
. . . and I'd love to win the lotto . . .!!!!
Check the sig folks, it's no doubt playoff manu is back, and he has been back for a while, it's just taken some people time to noticed. His confidence is the highest it's been since his injury, as is his play. If Manu can keep carrying this team the way he has until Parker is back and Duncan regains his mojo, we could be looking at a couple of playoff upsets for upper seeded teams
Playoff Manu, the healthy version, is back. A case can be made that, with Parker out and without a healthy Manu, the Spurs would be just a few games over .500 in 10th position in the West. Manu has taken a vocal leadership, to go with his playmaking. There is a significant drop-off when Manu goes out of the game, exposing the ineffectiveness of Roger Mason this season.
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