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    PITTSBURGH — A Pennsylvania boy who was 11 when he was accused of killing his father's pregnant fiancee with a shotgun blast to the back of her head as she lay in bed will be tried as an adult in the death of both the woman and the fetus, a judge ruled Monday.

    Jordan Brown, now 12, is charged with criminal homicide in the death of 26-year-old Kenzie Marie Houk in their farmhouse in New Galilee, in western Pennsylvania, on Feb. 20, 2009. Houk was 8 1/2 months pregnant; the male fetus died from a resulting lack of oxygen.

    "This offense was an execution-style killing of a defenseless pregnant young mother. A more horrific crime is difficult to imagine," Lawrence County Judge Dominick Motto wrote in his opinion refusing to move the case to juvenile court.

    The boy could be convicted of anything from involuntary manslaughter to first-degree murder under Pennsylvania's homicide law. Prosecutors have said they will seek a conviction on first-degree murder charges, for which he could face up to life in prison if convicted.

    The attorney general's office, which is prosecuting the case, and Browns' attorneys did not immediately return calls seeking comment on the ruling.

    Prosecutors have suggested the boy was jealous of Houk and her unborn son. Police had said Brown's hid the weapon under a blanket so Houk's 7-year-old daughter wouldn't see it as he entered her mother's room. Later, authorities say, he threw the spent s casing along a path on his way to a bus and went to school.

    A state trooper testified that tests showed the s was fired from Brown's youth-model 20-gauge shotgun.

    Brown's attorneys, Dennis Elisco and David Acker, had argued that the boy was too young to realize the full import of his actions and that he would best be dealt with in juvenile court, where he could receive treatment and incarceration specifically aimed at younger offenders.

    Under state law, the attorneys had to convince the judge that he was more "amenable" to rehabilitation in the juvenile system — which would have jurisdiction only until he is 21 — than as an adult.

    But the judge said the testimony of defense psychologist Kirk Heilbrun didn't convince him that Brown was best tried as a juvenile. Heilbrun said that the boy was likely at low risk of offending again — but the judge noted the assessment did not question whether Brown committed the crime.

    Motto focused on findings by a prosecution psychiatrist, Dr. John O'Brien, who found that Brown tended to "minimize" his wrongdoing and to "deny" and "shift blame" for his misdeeds. Brown, specifically, denied killing Houk when examined by both doctors.
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    Man, the world we alll live in these days...

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    Why did I read this...

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    Yet another good reason not to have guns lying around the house.

    What a crazy little kid.

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    Another reason why America should ban guns among its citizens not in war.

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    Another reason why America should ban guns among its citizens not in war.
    why can't I have guns just because there's some brain-damaged wackos out there.

    why don't we just become nazi germany?

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    Another reason why America should ban guns among its citizens not in war.
    +1

    They should really ban guns indeed.

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    why can't I have guns just because there's some brain-damaged wackos out there.

    why don't we just become nazi germany?
    Why? because these incidents happen a bit too much in your country don't you think? USA has the biggest problems and highest rate in the world with gun incidents. Do you think it's normal to get a gun just in a shop on every freakin corner and even in supermarkets?

    You wouldnt have had such high school shooting bloodbaths. At least, the risk of having that would have been alot less if were difficult for kids to get guns.

    Nothing to do with Nazi germany, I dont even know why you brought that up.

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    Kid knew what he was doing was wrong, evil little bas tried to hide the evidence. I hope he loses the right to his childhood and his early adult years.

    Banning guns wouldn't have stopped this, he was on a mission to kill her, he'd have used a knife if he didn't have access to a gun.

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    you people that don't live in the US don't know anything about anything. I've been living here all my life and I have NEVER been in any kind of trouble whatsoever.

    BUT I can't just walk in anywhere and buy a gun. If I go somewhere to buy a gun, I have to go through a background check.... federal and local.

    yeah I want to live in countries like these:

    Gun ownership in the People's Republic of China outside of the military, police, and paramilitary is forbidden.
    the Nazis did benefit significantly from gun control in Eastern Europe in terms of "the inability of their victims to fight back.
    go Stalin!
    go Lenin!
    go Hitler!
    go Mao!

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    Another reason why America should ban guns among its citizens not in war.
    Yes I'm sure the government would love that. Will make controlling the people much easier.

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    Do it like they do in other countries, have some effective gun control only with a strict licence.

    Don't you want your country to be more safe and peaceful? Don't you want to keep crime out of your country as much as possible? I think everyone wants that.

    Of course banning guns, will not erase crime 100%, but it's a step in the good direction. At least there will be less murders and especially gun crimes with kids involved if it would be very hard for them to get one.

    Don't you want to give up your gun hobby if it means it will save some peoples lives? Even if it's a couple? But still a ban doesnt mean you have to give up your hobby completely. Get a gun with strict licences and go shoot in a shooting club or something.

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    you people that don't live in the US don't know anything about anything. I've been living here all my life and I have NEVER been in any kind of trouble whatsoever.

    BUT I can't just walk in anywhere and buy a gun. If I go somewhere to buy a gun, I have to go through a background check.... federal and local.

    yeah I want to live in countries like these:




    go Stalin!
    go Lenin!
    go Hitler!
    go Mao!
    Ok, but im interested, other than shooting for fun or as a sport. What do you need a gun for??

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    Banning guns would be ridiculous IMO..there's nothing wrong with owning guns..just because there are a lot of idiots out there, that shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us..as somebody else said, if he didn't kill her with a gun, he would have used something else..killing isn't reserved to guns..

    Even if they banned guns, it would be easy to get one anyways..I had access to guns before I was even in High School, you can buy them anywhere in the inner city..the law wouldn't change anything, people would still find ways to get guns..it's not like they're going to stop making them all over the world..

    11 years old is old enough to know what you're doing..the kid will go to jail, hopefully for a long time, that's the punishment..that's it..

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    Don't you want your country to be more safe and peaceful? Don't you want to keep crime out of your country as much as possible?
    Being allowed to have guns or not doesn't have much to do with those things.

    At least there will be less murders and especially gun crimes with kids involved if it would be very hard for them to get one.
    If you really want to kill someone you'll find a way. If it isn't with a gun, it'll be a knife. If it isn't a knife you'll use your bare hands. Or run him over with your car. Perhaps it's easier with a gun, and if you had to use a different way you'd get discouraged. I don't know, never tried.

    I agree that it would be more difficult for kids though.

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    ban guns...

    ban boards with nails in it too.

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    Ok, but im interested, other than shooting for fun or as a sport. What do you need a gun for??
    Defense.
    Although I have to say I'm not really pro-gun person, more like the opposite.

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    Banning guns would be ridiculous IMO..there's nothing wrong with owning guns..just because there are a lot of idiots out there, that shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us..as somebody else said, if he didn't kill her with a gun, he would have used something else..killing isn't reserved to guns..
    There is nothing wrong with people owning guns if they are under a strict licence. It works for other countries, why not in usa? They shouldnt make it so easy for someone to get a gun just like that.

    Even if they banned guns, it would be easy to get one anyways..I had access to guns before I was even in High School, you can buy them anywhere in the inner city..the law wouldn't change anything, people would still find ways to get guns..it's not like they're going to stop making them all over the world..
    This. In alot of countries a high school kid doesnt have a clue where to get a gun. So they cant get one thus crime involving kids with guns is a lot less.

    11 years old is old enough to know what you're doing..the kid will go to jail, hopefully for a long time, that's the punishment..that's it..
    Really? Well, apparently 11 years is not old enough to know what you are doing.

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    Really? Well, apparently 11 years is not old enough to know what you are doing.
    Can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean here.

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    Defense.
    Although I have to say I'm not really pro-gun person, more like the opposite.
    Ok, but defense from what? From so called enemies? Some terorrists who will someday invade the country?

    Defense is a matter of your state and it should be a matter of your state. I dont think its a good thing to have defense and gun control in the hands of the people, of everyone. Or defense against criminals? Well, that's a point, but then again, if there were less guns, there will be less criminality. Plus if you want to be part of defense, why not join the local police academy?

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    FTR, I don't have a problem with people owning firearms, as long as they are legally owned and registered, and safely kept. These parents obviously did not take the proper care to put their gun under safe and key or in a safe place, and a weapon like that is too much power in a child's hands.

    Personally, I don't own a gun, but I respect the right for others to do so. That being said, I never saw the practicality in this day and age. The only real reason to have a gun is to protect yourself or your family if somebody breaks onto your property. Outside of that, carrying a gun around is just asking for trouble. It's not like we've got to worry about getting attacked by bears anymore.

    In heated situations, people turn into unreasonable idiots.

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    Can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean here.
    Well, I dont think 11 years old is a standard for expecting kids to know what they are doing. They dont know . And that shows it, this kid didnt know what he was doing either. Fortunatelly, most of 11 year olds do know what they are doing.

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    FTR, I don't have a problem with people owning firearms, as long as they are legally owned and registered. Personally, I don't own a gun, but I respect the right for others to do so.

    That being said, I never saw the practicality in this day and age. The only real reason to have a gun is to protect yourself or your family if somebody breaks onto your property. Outside of that, carrying a gun around is just asking for trouble. It's not like we've got to worry about getting attacked by bears anymore.

    In heated situations, people turn into unreasonable idiots.
    True. Also would you be comfortable with knowing a family has guns in their homes? I mean in situations where things get heated up and there are incidents, people will use their guns faster when, even if they do not have the intention to cause harm.

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    Ok, but defense from what? From so called enemies? Some terorrists who will someday invade the country?
    Not terrorists as in the foreign ones, but domestic ones.

    Defense is a matter of your state and it should be a matter of your state.
    Who'll defend you when the state turns on you?

    I dont think its a good thing to have defense and gun control in the hands of the people, of everyone.
    I guess it's a two-edged sword.

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