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  1. #301
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    Duncan was a better position defender and interior help defender. Garnett was a better perimeter help defender.

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    Garnett was a fairly superior pick'n'roll defender. His advantage there was more important than Duncan's advantage as an individual defender in the low block.

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    Garnett was a fairly superior pick'n'roll defender. His advantage there was more important than Duncan's advantage as an individual defender in the low block.
    nahhhh

    Duncan was a curtain over the basket, one of the best low post defenders I have seen.

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    nahhhh

    Duncan was a curtain over the basket, one of the best low post defenders I have seen.
    I agree.

    But I've never seen a pick'n'roll defender as good as Garnett + he was much better on perimeter oriented guys and closing out. And that's more important in today's game. If they were playing 10 years earlier, I'd probably take Duncan as a defender.

  5. #305
    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    Final comments on this thread: It's hilarious how mogrovejo talks down to people, acts like he has some superior intelligence, and overall behaves like a pretentious bag, yet he got completely owned in every argument against every guy he tried to debate, and for the grand finale, he has no in clue how to spell "below". Or maybe he was trying to tell us that Dirk was average at yelling in a deep voice while rebounding.

    Not since the last time Allanon tried to get into it has anybody been owned this hard. The end.

  6. #306
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    Final comments on this thread: It's hilarious how mogrovejo talks down to people, acts like he has some superior intelligence, and overall behaves like a pretentious bag, yet he got completely owned in every argument against every guy he tried to debate, and for the grand finale, he has no in clue how to spell "below". Or maybe he was trying to tell us that Dirk was average at yelling in a deep voice while rebounding.

    Not since the last time Allanon tried to get into it has anybody been owned this hard. The end.
    Oh boy, someone is seriously butthurt.

  7. #307
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    No way are we the 8th best team in the league. The only teams that you could maybe argue are just "better" than us are Cleveland and LA. Outside of that, teams like Denver, Utah, Atlanta, I believe are a notch below us. No way I see any of those "2nd tier" teams beating us in a 7 game series, except for maybe Denver, who we just spanked after they were getting all fired up and calling it a "playoff game."

    I mean can you sit there and tell me with a straight face that Utah and Atlanta are just flat out "better" than us? who are these other 5 teams ahead of us besides CLE and LA?
    Better than us: LA, Cleveland, Orlando

    Same plane as us: Denver, Utah, Atlanta, Boston, Phoenix

    You could rank Dallas at best #4, or at worst #9. We belong in that 4-9 group of teams. He's got us behind Miami and Charlotte, which is just absurd. Not that I think Hollinger and his formula merits much debate. If your formula ranks the Mavs behind the Heat and Bobcats, then it needs work. Power Rankings Formulas are really just gist for angry arguing during the season anyway. He's just another asshole with a keyboard.

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    Good. I just ran out of popcorn.

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    I had an idea to raise the collective BBIQ of this forum. In the next pre-season I'll post the lay-out of the scouting reports of a top professional team - what their scouts are looking for when they're scouting another team, what questions they have to find answers to, the diagrams they have to fill, etc - and Mavs fans can do it for the Mavs, Spurs fans for the Spurs, etc. I think if we do it for a few games we can get a pretty good idea about some different traits teams have.

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    Better than us: LA, Cleveland, Orlando

    Same plane as us: Denver, Utah, Atlanta, Boston, Phoenix

    You could rank Dallas at best #4, or at worst #9. We belong in that 4-9 group of teams. He's got us behind Miami and Charlotte, which is just absurd. Not that I think Hollinger and his formula merits much debate. If your formula ranks the Mavs behind the Heat and Bobcats, then it needs work. Power Rankings Formulas are really just gist for angry arguing during the season anyway. He's just another asshole with a keyboard.
    I think obviously what holds the guys in blue back in the Power Rankings is the +2.1 margin of victory, which IS closer to Charlotte/Milwaukee/Miami than it is to some of those teams "in the same plane". Mavs have the 12th best margin of victory in the league.

    I think the Mavs margin of victory this year is some sort of bizarre aberration. I agree based on the eyeball test they're far superior to the Bobcats/Bucks/Heat... but the margin of victory isn't.

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    Murdering Prostitutes Findog's Avatar
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    I had an idea to raise the collective BBIQ of this forum. In the next pre-season I'll post the lay-out of the scouting reports of a top professional team - what their scouts are looking for when they're scouting another team, what questions they have to find answers to, the diagrams they have to fill, etc - and Mavs fans can do it for the Mavs, Spurs fans for the Spurs, etc. I think if we do it for a few games we can get a pretty good idea about some different traits teams have.

  12. #312
    Murdering Prostitutes Findog's Avatar
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    I think obviously what holds the guys in blue back in the Power Rankings is the +2.1 margin of victory, which IS closer to Charlotte/Milwaukee/Miami than it is to some of those teams "in the same plane". Mavs have the 12th best margin of victory in the league.

    I think the Mavs margin of victory this year is some sort of bizarre aberration. I agree based on the eyeball test they're far superior to the Bobcats/Bucks/Heat... but the margin of victory isn't.
    Mavs have a veteran core of 30+ guys - pattern has been for them to get big leads and then struggle to maintain them. I'm guessing it's not being "mentally soft" or "lacking determination" but simply not having those young legs in the second half of games.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    Oh boy, someone is seriously butthurt.
    tbh you're too far "bellow" me to ever be anything more than a mopper in my eyes.

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