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    Drill Baby Drill!


    Wait a minute. Huh?


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/sc...energy.html?hp




    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.

    The proposal — a compromise that will please oil companies and domestic drilling advocates but anger some residents of affected states and many environmental organizations — would end a longstanding moratorium on oil exploration along the East Coast from the northern tip of Delaware to the central coast of Florida, covering 167 million acres of ocean.

    Under the plan, the coastline from New Jersey northward would remain closed to all oil and gas activity. So would the Pacific Coast, from Mexico to the Canadian border.

    The environmentally sensitive Bristol Bay in southwestern Alaska would be protected and no drilling would be allowed under the plan, officials said. But large tracts in the Chukchi Sea and Beaufort Sea in the Arctic Ocean north of Alaska — nearly 130 million acres — would be eligible for exploration and drilling after extensive studies.

    The proposal is to be announced by President Obama and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland on Wednesday, but administration officials agreed to preview the details on the condition that they not be identified.

    The proposal is intended to reduce dependence on oil imports, generate revenue from the sale of offshore leases and help win political support for comprehensive energy and climate legislation.

    But while Mr. Obama has staked out middle ground on other environmental matters — supporting nuclear power, for example — the sheer breadth of the offshore drilling decision will take some of his supporters aback. And it is no sure thing that it will win support for a climate bill from undecided senators close to the oil industry, like Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, or Mary L. Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana.

    The Senate is expected to take up a climate bill in the next few weeks — the last chance to enact such legislation before midterm election concerns take over. Mr. Obama and his allies in the Senate have already made significant concessions on coal and nuclear power to try to win votes from Republicans and moderate Democrats. The new plan now grants one of the biggest items on the oil industry’s wish list — access to vast areas of the Outer Continental Shelf for drilling.

    But even as Mr. Obama curries favors with pro-drilling interests, he risks a backlash from some coastal governors, senators and environmental advocates, who say that the relatively small amounts of oil to be gained in the offshore areas are not worth the environmental risks.

    The Obama administration’s plan adopts some drilling proposals floated by President George W. Bush near the end of his tenure, including opening much of the Atlantic and Arctic Coasts. Those proposals were challenged in court on environmental grounds and set aside by President Obama shortly after he took office.

    Unlike the Bush plan, however, Mr. Obama’s proposal would put Bristol Bay, home to major Alaskan commercial fisheries and populations of endangered whales, off limits to oil rigs.

    Actual drilling in much of the newly opened areas, if it takes place, would not begin for years.

    Mr. Obama said several times during his presidential campaign that he supported expanded offshore drilling. He noted in his State of the Union address in January that weaning the country from imported oil would require “tough decisions about opening new offshore areas for oil and gas development.”

    Perhaps in anticipation of controversy, the new policy has been closely held within the administration. White House and Interior Department officials began briefing members of Congress and local officials in affected states late Tuesday.

    It is not known how much potential fuel lies in the areas opened to exploration, although according to Interior Department estimates there could be as much as a three-year supply of recoverable oil and more than two years’ worth of natural gas, at current rates of consumption. But those estimates are based on seismic data that is, in some cases, more than 30 years old.

    The first lease sale off the coast of Virginia could occur as early as next year in a triangular tract 50 miles off the coast that had already been approved for development but was held up by a court challenge and additional Interior Department review, officials said.

    But as a result of the Obama decision, the Interior Department will spend several years conducting geologic and environmental studies along the rest of the southern and central Atlantic Seaboard. If a tract is deemed suitable for development, it is listed for sale in a compe ive bidding system. The next lease sales — if any are authorized by the Interior Department — would not be held before 2012.

    The eastern Gulf of Mexico tract that would be offered for lease is adjacent to an area that already contains thousands of wells and hundreds of drilling platforms. The eastern Gulf area is believed to contain as much as 3.5 billion barrels of oil and 17 trillion cubic feet of gas, the richest single tract that would be open to drilling under the Obama plan.

    Drilling there has been strongly opposed by officials from both political parties in Alabama and Florida who fear damage to coastlines, fisheries, popular beaches and wildlife. Interior Department officials said no wells would be allowed within 125 miles of the Florida and Alabama coasts, making them invisible from shore.

    The Interior Department and the Pentagon are discussing possible restrictions on oil and gas operations in some areas off Virginia and Florida, home to some of the nation’s biggest Navy and Air Force facilities. States are also likely to claim rights to the revenues from oil and gas deposits within 3 to 12 miles of shore and to some portion of lease proceeds, officials said.

    Mr. Salazar developed the offshore drilling plan after conducting four public meetings over the past year in Alaska, California, Louisiana and New Jersey. The Interior Department received more than 500,000 public comments on the issue.

    Mr. Salazar has said that he hoped to rebalance the nation’s oil and gas policy to find a middle ground between the “drill here drill now” advocacy of many oil industry advocates and the preservationist impulse to block oil exploration beneath virtually all public lands and waters.

    He has called the offshore drilling plan a new chapter in the nation’s search for a comprehensive energy policy that can open new areas to oil and gas development “in the right way and in the right places,” according to an aide.

    In many of the newly opened areas, drilling would begin only after the completion of geologic studies, environmental impact statements, court challenges and public lease sales. Much of the oil and gas may not be recoverable at current prices and may be prohibitively expensive even if oil prices e as they did in the summer of 2008.

    At the Wednesday event, Mr. Obama is also expected to announce two other initiatives to reduce oil imports, an agreement between the Pentagon and the Agriculture Department to use more biofuels in military vehicles and the purchase of thousands of hybrid vehicles for the federal motor pool.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Finally you agree with Obama on something. Now let's see you give him credit.

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    I don't know enough about this stuff to have a valid opinion, but I'm interested to see if "the right" gives Barry a hi-5 over this initiative.

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    Finally you agree with Obama on something. Now let's see you give him credit.

    I give him credit. But, I don't think it's something they believe in so much as they are smart to take away a talking point of their political opponents.


    Come November, it will be entirely about health care and fiscal issues.

    EDIT> Also jobs and taxes.

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    That'll solve global warming fer sure.

    Seriously though...

    Let's see:
    Staying in Iraq and Afghanistan - check
    Increasing the deficit - check
    Serving Big Oil - check
    Diplomatic disaster(and this one is the surprise) - check
    Corporate servitude on about 15 different levels(Health Care, Digital Piracy) - check

    , Obama is a better at this than Bush was....except for the job creation thing.

    It's not so much that I don't want to give him credit for doing the same Bush did...it's just that Bush doing these things made him tantamount to the worst leader in history according to Dems.


    I guess we'll give him credit for it...will you now shut the and stop ing about wars, global warming, the deficit, spending, corporatism and all that other stuff you continue to the Republicans about as your guy continues and expands on those policies?

    He even abuses his power better than Bush did. I mean Bush wussed out and actually lied to get his agenda past the Dems(or so they claim) Obama and Dems just went outright and told the Republicans and 50 something million Americans to go themselves....


    If he joins the KKK then I'll praise him

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    The Democratic Party = GOP lite

    It has been since Clinton, but somehow that seems to get lost in all the hysteria about Marxism and socialism.

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    Oh I'd call them GOP heavy.

    I know I just saw Obama rattling a saber at Iran

    And just because Obama is doing all this doesn't mean he's not a socialist. Socialist just means he wants to eliminate the middle class.


    And no politician that claims(or appears) to be a marxist, socialist, or communist actually fits those terms are they intended to mean. IF they were truly any of those things they wouldn't be politicians.

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    And just because Obama is doing all this doesn't mean he's not a socialist. Socialist just means he wants to eliminate the middle class.
    Actally, socialist would mean he wants there to only be a middle class. But, whatever.

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    The Democratic Party = GOP lite

    It has been since Clinton, but somehow that seems to get lost in all the hysteria about Marxism and socialism.
    agreed, and how it is that there is a belief amongst so many people that there is a legitimate dichotomy between the 2 parties is beyond me.

    no surprise here that obama has made this move.

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    This is horrible. And
    I'm interested to see if "the right" gives Barry a hi-5 over this initiative.
    no. A week, a month, a year from now the right will still be clamoring for his head. Literally.

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    United States Drilling Co. Obama has to pay for health care.

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    Actally, socialist would mean he wants there to only be a middle class. But, whatever.
    No, socialist means they want 2 classes, an extremely powerful minority elite that weilds total authority over virtually every aspect of our lives, and an extremely poor and powerless lowerclass...with a nice literacy rate. Notice I didn't say good healthcare.

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    I don't know enough about this stuff to have a valid opinion, but I'm interested to see if "the right" gives Barry a hi-5 over this initiative.
    I'd say there will be about as many people on "the right" giving Barry a hi-5 over this as there will be people on "the left" admitting that Bush & company were on to something when they were pushing for this.

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    It will be interesting to see if Al Gore has any kind of public response to this. He has to walk a very fine line. On one hand, he has to say something negative about it to maintain credibility among his green minions. On the other hand, having more carbon out there to regulate/swap is in his best financial interests.

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    I was hoping he would penalize trading on energy futures as part of this overhaul, but I don't see such a thing. I don't even see what's the economical gain to the government, outside of selling the excavation licenses (and the obvious upcoming big oil fundraiser).

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    I was hoping he would penalize trading on energy futures as part of this overhaul, but I don't see such a thing.
    There's no point to it. It's a global market and thanks to the internet anyone can trade energy futures anywhere. If the U.S. tries to restrict energy futures trading on it's markets, a different market is only a mouse-click away.

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    There's no point to it. It's a global market and thanks to the internet anyone can trade energy futures anywhere. If the U.S. tries to restrict energy futures trading on it's markets, a different market is only a mouse-click away.
    Sure. But America remains one of the largest (if not the largest) oil consumer in the world. The SEC and CFTC already regulate futures and derivatives. I would have preferred further regulation to close the gap on prices being so volatile on speculation alone.

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    I would have preferred further regulation to close the gap on prices being so volatile on speculation alone.
    That's simply not feasible. The U.S. government could flat out ban speculators from trading in U.S. energy markets and whoever would be left on those U.S. markets would still be having to buy and sell oil on a global market where the price is influenced by speculators.

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    he never said there would be no more drilling.

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    No, socialist means they want 2 classes, an extremely powerful minority elite that weilds total authority over virtually every aspect of our lives, and an extremely poor and powerless lowerclass...with a nice literacy rate. Notice I didn't say good healthcare.
    Sorry, forgot to translate words to the post-modern "whatever we want it to mean" definitions. I was going by the classical definition of socialist, since I speak English and not Politicish.

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    I was going by the classical definition of socialist, since I speak English and not Politicish.
    My bad, I was going by what they actually are.

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    No, socialist means they want 2 classes, an extremely powerful minority elite that weilds total authority over virtually every aspect of our lives, and an extremely poor and powerless lowerclass...with a nice literacy rate. Notice I didn't say good healthcare.

    Two classes, an extremely powerful minority elite and an extremely poor and powerless lowerclass--that's pretty much the trajectory of unfettered capitalism (but without the nice literacy rate).

    Socialism implies a classless society. Whether or not it's actually realizable is debatable. Most of the states that people associate with socialism today are really mixed economic models.

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    My bad, I was going by what they actually are.
    If you call an orange an apple because someone told you they're apples... well, then you're just an idiot.

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    Socialism implies a classless society. Whether or not it's actually realizable is debatable.
    How is it "debatable"? Socialism has been tried in many forms and to many degrees and has never produced a classless society.

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    It will be interesting to see if Al Gore has any kind of public response to this. He has to walk a very fine line. On one hand, he has to say something negative about it to maintain credibility among his green minions. On the other hand, having more carbon out there to regulate/swap is in his best financial interests.
    why would al gore care? why are you so obsessed with gore?

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