SI.com: Rebuttal to a rebuttal: Duncan's stats put him in elite class

[Killakobe81]

Everyone has a choice but to me its funny when people born in the 80's argue that Russell or Wilt is an all-time great LOL!!!

Not saying they are not but if that is the case where is Mikan on the list? Speak on what you know ...Im sure Mantle, Unitas, Oscar, Cousy, Sugar ray Robinson and Gordie howe were all greats too I just never sen them except on archival footage ...yes I THINK they are great but i speak on what I KNOW and have seen for myself ...

[Thomas82]

Everyone has a choice but to me its funny when people born in the 80's argue that Russell or Wilt is an all-time great LOL!!!

Not saying they are not but if that is the case where is Mikan on the list? Speak on what you know ...Im sure Mantle, Unitas, Oscar, Cousy, Sugar ray Robinson and Gordie howe were all greats too I just never sen them except on archival footage ...yes I THINK they are great but i speak on what I KNOW and have seen for myself ...

I'm not mad at you for it.

[phxspurfan]

Everyone has a choice but to me its funny when people born in the 80's argue that Russell or Wilt is an all-time great LOL!!!

Not saying they are not but if that is the case where is Mikan on the list? Speak on what you know ...Im sure Mantle, Unitas, Oscar, Cousy, Sugar ray Robinson and Gordie howe were all greats too I just never sen them except on archival footage ...yes I THINK they are great but i speak on what I KNOW and have seen for myself ...

So no one who played before 1980 (because you were watching around then) is worth your attention on an all-time great list of a sport that started long before then...

Dude you're an idiot...stop posting in this thread. Go post in the NBA forum. Reread the article, or a reaction like this

Wow, a sports writer who actually bases his opinion on facts. The world is now a better place.

and understand what the article's writer is actually saying. Nowhere in there does he say he is basing his last on players he saw or games he saw. Making an all-time great list based on games you personally watched is inherently flawed any way you look at it. And to have no facts to back anything up only proves you made the list based on your personal preferences.

Kobe and Shaq in the middle of the top 10 in NBA history?

I would classify myself as a Spurs homer and I put Duncan as the last one on there at 10, and Kobe/Shaq tied with him at 10.

[Killakobe81]

So no one who played before 1980 (because you were watching around then) is worth your attention on an all-time great list of a sport that started long before then...

Dude you're an idiot...stop posting in this thread. Go post in the NBA forum. Reread the article, or a reaction like this



and understand what the article's writer is actually saying. Nowhere in there does he say he is basing his last on players he saw or games he saw. Making an all-time great list based on games you personally watched is inherently flawed any way you look at it. And to have no facts to back anything up only proves you made the list based on your personal preferences.

Kobe and Shaq in the middle of the top 10 in NBA history?

I would classify myself as a Spurs homer and I put Duncan as the last one on there at 10, and Kobe/Shaq tied with him at 10.

First off I can post wherever I want.

2nd of all I said I started ball in 1980

I said their LES do matter ...but how am I going to rank them?

Based off of stats?

If that is the case than the original hack's argument MAY have some VALIDITY depending on what stats you decide to use.

I dont care if you choose to stick Duncan at the bottom of your 10 ...good for you!

I asked you to explain who AFTER 1980 (meaning played part of their prime) was MORE deserving than the guys I listed?

You did not so either you can't read or can not make a decent argument.

I am willing to listen. Also tell me how you came up with yours (list)? How old are you? Do you scour the NBA archives to actually watch more than the highlighted classic games?

I NEVER said the pre '8o's guys dont matter ...I said that I DONT judge them because I DIDNT watch them ...there is a difference. Do you judge Black, white or indian people based on old footage or movies if you dont actually know any yourself?

I hope not. And so if you dont why do you judge players that played before you were born? If you do judge people do you say that all blacks are criminal because they make up a high% of our prison population?

Stats are dangerous and judging things, people etc you dont know about is less dangerous but equally foolish.