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lol @ Venezuela "defense capability". Who do they need to defend themselves against these days?
CARACAS (Reuters) – Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin arrived in Caracas on Friday to meet with the two main South American foes of the United States and launch a $20 billion venture to tap the Orinoco heavy oil belt.
Putin will discuss energy, agriculture and defense issues with Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chavez and later meet Bolivian President Evo Morales, both fierce critics of what they call U.S. "imperialism" in Latin America.
Chavez said Moscow and Caracas will strengthen security ties to "continue increasing Venezuela's defense capability" and look at cooperating on nuclear energy.
"We are not going to build the atomic bomb but we will develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. We have to prepare for the post-petroleum era," Chavez said at a cabinet meeting on Thursday evening.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100402/...nezuela_russia
lol @ Venezuela "defense capability". Who do they need to defend themselves against these days?
Great point Chamberlain
Haven't you heard? They plan to invade the USA. The right has been warning us about the evil dictator hugo chavez.
We should all be frightened!
Everybody gets nukes!! All our enemies, sell arms to countries openly stockpiling for America. It's ok. It's someone else's family member who will get hit with it.
so your proposal is to stop the entire world from getting nukes? how do you propose we do that? What exactly will Venezuela do to us with their nukes?
You will never get an answer from SnC. and run seems to be his M.O. these days.
So the consensus is...it sucks that Russia is sticking its in our hemisphere, but We have no reason to fear nukes. They can't threaten us, no one can threaten us. We'll ing bomb the whole world (rightfully so, might I add).
It's like containment and nuclear deterrence never happened, and never will again.
Honestly, I don't get it. It worked against a real Soviet threat for over 40 years. Assuming it wouldn't work against the likes of an Iran or a Venezuela makes very little sense.
Last edited by Winehole23; 04-03-2010 at 05:38 PM.
It goes back to the fear mongering about our foes. They're not people with different foreign policy goals but their foaming at the mouth crazies. When your leaders give no legitimacy to the enemy's state of mind how are they going to paint them as rational enough to responsibly hold onto these types of weapons?
And more so, the United States government doesn't WANT a deterrent situation because it places severe limits on what the US itself can do when compared the current situation. Its probably not so much that deterrence won't avoid nuclear war WH; its more that such a situation represents a power loss for the United States.
I would say this goes a little farther than mongering. This should be true fear. The naivete of anyone who thinks this is without concequence of america's safety is scary in itself. Mutual destruction worked, barely, in that we are all alive. However that was with two countries. That was also a policy I completely disagree with, and would vote anyone out who did think that policy acceptable. Russia going and making deals with the two dictators- Chavez and Morales, should at the least be questioned. At the most challenged.
I'll ask you this question: Why would Putin want to give other countries the bomb?
And what should they do when we go make deals with dictators?
i don't understand your question. Is it just to say we deal with dictators? I think all of Venezuela's neighbors would want Russia out of their waters and Venezuela away from nukes. Same for Iran's neighbors and N. Korea's neighbors. I would also think that all of our trading partners who are democracies and all our allies would want this as well.
Who is they?
Give? Nobody gives anything away. Russia wants oil revenue. Chavez wants to fluff his ego and is perfectly willing to sell out his country to do so.
Not to mention all the arms Chavez is getting.
Which countries has Putin given the actual bomb to?
And why are you so scared of Chavez?
Shamelessly fear monger much?
wtf are you talking about exactly. Except for trying to find a reason to use the term fear mongering? What exactly did I say that is playing into false fears of americans ( unemployment going over 8%; our financial sector collapsing)?
What does that have to do with Venezuela?
“The fact that Russian companies are active in four oil fields in the largest crude reserve in the world is important not only for Russia, but for the world.” -Chavez
Please explain your spokesman Chavez's words.
The problem with nuclear weapons in the 21st century is not the nuke-a-city and mass destruction via fallout type that we worried about in the containment era.
The problem is a small tactical nuke combined with modern day rocketry available to states such as Iran, S. Korea, and any South American country poses a threat in the form of an EMP. Any small nuke detonated in the atmosphere above the earth will completely fry the entire electrical grid and all electronic devices on the earth's surface in a wide range.
This is also why the Iranian bomb is in fact a threat. As is the N. Korean bomb. Our leaders do a totally totally ty job of explaining the threats to the people, instead relying on republican jingoistic babble 101.
It's bad enough N. Korea has the ballistic missle capabilities of reaching LA, if they kept advancing, and a small nuke was exploded in the atmosphere above LA, a huge chunk of the country's westside electrical grid would be totally shut down, and thousands if not millions would die. It's not as simple as just turning the juice back on.
Problem is people think it's just a problem of part of a city getting nuked....that's not the true nature of the threat in the 21st century. Containment in that aspect is still fully functional.
Manny touched on this but I think its an even bigger loss of power than most would think if we allowed a state in our own hemisphere to become a nuclear power.
It would be a huge huge deal from a security standpoint if we allowed this to happen.
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