we beat the best team in the league w/out Parker!!!

[florige]

They have Patrick Ewing no the bench. He will show them what it takes to win a championship.

Lmao!

[TJastal]

what r u using ur judgement on?

last year's playoffs????

that's pretty dumb

He's just jealous the magic have balls, something his team is lacking since Barnes left.

So now his podunk ass is reduced to whining and ing about them on a spurs message board.

[BackHome]

This team plays 10 times better with Manu being the leader on the court.

I gotta agree with you when Parker leading you never see passion but with Manu you can fill his passion and his desire to win at any cost. I think Parker is a very talented player but I enjoy watching someone who can pass the ball and create easy baskets for his team mates.

[duhoh]

This is, by definition, the most objective way of determining who the best team in the NBA is as of now (recent play, not just a function of record) -

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

Whether Hollinger has the most optimal formula is debatable, but I'll take his rankings over subjective banter any day.

hollinger? the man who calls greg oden the GOAT rebounder?

the win against ORL was unexpected. CLE being better than ORL? I gotta see that first. once CLE knocks out ORL, i'll believe that statement

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

But Manu missed three FTs and had two turnovers, what a joke [/ducks]

[Xylus]

He's just jealous the magic have balls, something his team is lacking since Barnes left.

So now his podunk ass is reduced to whining and ing about them on a spurs message board.

LOL, Matt Barnes is one of the biggest punks in the NBA. I'm glad that is off my team.

[spurs10]

Manu is inspiring everyone right now, including Tony, I'm sure.

[admiralfats]

suffocated them like a newborn baby!!!!

worst simile ever?

[jestersmash]

hollinger? the man who calls greg oden the GOAT rebounder?

the win against ORL was unexpected. CLE being better than ORL? I gotta see that first. once CLE knocks out ORL, i'll believe that statement

I don't know man, I don't think CLE over ORL is too unreasonable with the likes of Lebron.

Maybe the Jazz at #3 is slightly suspect, but not egregiously so.

I for one am always open to other opinions, but I prefer other opinions that are based on statistics and facts, not just some hand wavy hodgepodge 'oh well the lakers seem to be doing kind of sort of not so great so they're maybe 6th or 7th best in the league right now"

I just never understood that sort of reasoning, I suppose. It's fine to have a subjective opinion and leave it at that.

But, I see too many people (nobody in this thread, not even on spurstalk really, but outside in general) who brand Hollinger as some "idiot" to who doesn't know what he's talking about, but then they go and make up numerical rankings based on subjective impressions.

It's like...seriously? You just bashed a guy who at least made a decent effort to objectify the issue with stats and numbers, but you're arguably providing a more useless outlook on the matter by offering numerical rankings based on "gut feelings" and "gut impression." I see this sort of thing (usually on ESPN message boards, really) and can't help but chuckle at the irony of these people calling Hollinger an "idiot."

Again, to make it clear, no disrespect to anyone on this thread or spurstalk, it was really more of a rant in general.

[jestersmash]

You know what I think would be interesting? If Hollinger or somebody else created some new stats to encompass some of the facets of a game that we usually brand as "intangibles" or "hustle stats" that don't appear in the box score.

I think it'd be interesting to create a new, more updated formula that takes some of these facets into account.

[FeZZy]

OP that is a horrible analogy hopefully your son suffocates when he's born..

[Sisk]

I don't know man, I don't think CLE over ORL is too unreasonable with the likes of Lebron.

Maybe the Jazz at #3 is slightly suspect, but not egregiously so.

I for one am always open to other opinions, but I prefer other opinions that are based on statistics and facts, not just some hand wavy hodgepodge 'oh well the lakers seem to be doing kind of sort of not so great so they're maybe 6th or 7th best in the league right now"

I just never understood that sort of reasoning, I suppose. It's fine to have a subjective opinion and leave it at that.

But, I see too many people (nobody in this thread, not even on spurstalk really, but outside in general) who brand Hollinger as some "idiot" to who doesn't know what he's talking about, but then they go and make up numerical rankings based on subjective impressions.

It's like...seriously? You just bashed a guy who at least made a decent effort to objectify the issue with stats and numbers, but you're arguably providing a more useless outlook on the matter by offering numerical rankings based on "gut feelings" and "gut impression." I see this sort of thing (usually on ESPN message boards, really) and can't help but chuckle at the irony of these people calling Hollinger an "idiot."

Again, to make it clear, no disrespect to anyone on this thread or spurstalk, it was really more of a rant in general.

you don't need to apologize, you're correct

[DMX7]

best win of the season.

It was a great win but beating a team on the second night of a back to back when you had a day off does have an impact. Besides, can we ask Ginobili to go off for 40+ every night?

[mavsfan1000]

Cavs and Lakers are the best team.

[dbreiden83080]

This team plays 10 times better with Manu being the leader on the court.

I'm starting to agree. We are playing the best ball all year when Tony went out. Seems crazy to say it but less Tony this year has meant better team play..

[in2deep]

scratch this thread. tonight was best win of the season

[peskypesky]

We've beaten the Cavs, Celtics, Magic & Lakers with Parker in a suit.

[peskypesky]

I'm starting to agree. We are playing the best ball all year when Tony went out. Seems crazy to say it but less Tony this year has meant better team play..

exactly. how people think they can argue with indisputable facts is beyond me. love him or hate him, the Spurs are beating the elite teams with the dude in a suit.

[hombrefeo]

yeah man great win!

[lefty]

exactly. how people think they can argue with indisputable facts is beyond me. love him or hate him, the Spurs are beating the elite teams with the dude in a suit.

The gayness of Cavs, Thunders, Magic, Celtics and Lakers has just been confirmed by the fact that they got distracted by TP wearing a pastel suit

That's why we beat those teams

[TampaDude]

The gayness of Cavs, Thunders, Magic, Celtics and Lakers has just been confirmed by the fact that they got distracted by TP wearing a pastel suit

That's why we beat those teams

[duhoh]

I don't know man, I don't think CLE over ORL is too unreasonable with the likes of Lebron.

Maybe the Jazz at #3 is slightly suspect, but not egregiously so.

I for one am always open to other opinions, but I prefer other opinions that are based on statistics and facts, not just some hand wavy hodgepodge 'oh well the lakers seem to be doing kind of sort of not so great so they're maybe 6th or 7th best in the league right now"

I just never understood that sort of reasoning, I suppose. It's fine to have a subjective opinion and leave it at that.

But, I see too many people (nobody in this thread, not even on spurstalk really, but outside in general) who brand Hollinger as some "idiot" to who doesn't know what he's talking about, but then they go and make up numerical rankings based on subjective impressions.

It's like...seriously? You just bashed a guy who at least made a decent effort to objectify the issue with stats and numbers, but you're arguably providing a more useless outlook on the matter by offering numerical rankings based on "gut feelings" and "gut impression." I see this sort of thing (usually on ESPN message boards, really) and can't help but chuckle at the irony of these people calling Hollinger an "idiot."

Again, to make it clear, no disrespect to anyone on this thread or spurstalk, it was really more of a rant in general.

respect man.

but when you've got hollinger being pretty dogmatic about oden being the best rebounder ever, it's nonsense.

i dislike dogmatism in almost any form when it concerns opinions, since you can prove almost anything with statistics, a la mark cuban saying that dirk is the greatest player in the league.

but on the flip side, we've got daryl morey running that sloan conference, and it's actually pretty cool stuff. just hollinger has said somethings that's pretty ridiculous some times though. but at the end of the day, numbers don't lie

[alchemist]

beating the #1 team, the #2 team and the #3 team in the league is damn impressive this late with no Tony.