Putin arrives in Venezuela to meet U.S. foes

[EmptyMan]

brb moving to Jericho, Kansas

[Cant_Be_Faded]

That will never happen. Ever. And for one simple reason, oil. The U.S. accounts for 65 percent of the oil exports of Venezuela. So like I said, that would NEVER happen.

Chavez like all men wants power. To keep it as long as he can, and he'll never be allowed to do that if he decides to 1) Cut off the U.S. or 2) Attack the U.S.

You didn't read what you quoted


i didn't once imply that chavez would attack us
thats understood

what i said was if they develop nukes, it increases the chances for someone not even related to the venezuelan regime to get their hands on them

that in itself is a huge power loss for the us not even considering the state-to-state relationship

[spursncowboys]

Chavez like all men wants power. To keep it as long as he can, and he'll never be allowed to do that if he decides to 1) Cut off the U.S. or 2) Attack the U.S.

Even if using logic with an irradic dictator turns out to be right, I think the bigger problem in all this is letting Russia in.

[Duff McCartney]

Even if using logic with an irradic dictator turns out to be right, I think the bigger problem in all this is letting Russia in.

How so? What exact threat does Russia pose? None. Their economy is crap and so is their outdated military.

And by the way, we aren't "letting" Russia in, if I recall Venezuela, like Cuba and every other Latin American country is a soverign nation free to do business with who it chooses.

I know W had a hard time defining soverignty and by the looks of it so do you.

[spursncowboys]

How so? What exact threat does Russia pose? None. Their economy is crap and so is their outdated military.

And by the way, we aren't "letting" Russia in, if I recall Venezuela, like Cuba and every other Latin American country is a soverign nation free to do business with who it chooses.

I know W had a hard time defining soverignty and by the looks of it so do you.

I am not talking about us going to russia and venezuela and saying "that's not fair". I'm talking about grown up stuff. It seems you cannot get past some naive idea of us allowing to build armies against america and the only time we can do anything is when it is too late and we are already attacked. What is scary is now this has become your battle cry for nukes. Let everyone build nukes because it wouldn't be fair for us to tell another country bent on attacking us that they shouldn't have nukes.

So we should have allowed USSR to put nukes, pointed at US, in Cuba? If you believe so, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Chavez has stated he is stockpiling arms for Americans. Not to mention the guy is trying to rule Venezuela for life and is making deals with another dictator in Putin.

[spursncowboys]

How so? What exact threat does Russia pose? None. Their economy is crap and so is their outdated military.

Do you have any proof to back that up? Also how many nukes do they already have? Have you been paying attention to what Russia has been doing throughout the world with oil, in the past 5 or so years? Did your professor discuss that with you in between his bush bashing?

[admiralsnackbar]

I am not talking about us going to russia and venezuela and saying "that's not fair". I'm talking about grown up stuff. It seems you cannot get past some naive idea of us allowing to build armies against america and the only time we can do anything is when it is too late and we are already attacked. What is scary is now this has become your battle cry for nukes. Let everyone build nukes because it wouldn't be fair for us to tell another country bent on attacking us that they shouldn't have nukes.

So we should have allowed USSR to put nukes, pointed at US, in Cuba? If you believe so, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Chavez has stated he is stockpiling arms for Americans. Not to mention the guy is trying to rule Venezuela for life and is making deals with another dictator in Putin.

Grown-ups wait for the facts to come in. You're just shrilly assuming the worst for reasons that probably relate to your top secret clearance and logical a en.

[Duff McCartney]

Do you have any proof to back that up? Also how many nukes do they already have? Have you been paying attention to what Russia has been doing throughout the world with oil, in the past 5 or so years? Did your professor discuss that with you in between his bush bashing?

Read up on anything about Russias military and their economy. Their military is outdated, and can not compete with the United States' military for economic reasons. They simply don't have the economic power to do so.

[Duff McCartney]

I am not talking about us going to russia and venezuela and saying "that's not fair". I'm talking about grown up stuff. It seems you cannot get past some naive idea of us allowing to build armies against america and the only time we can do anything is when it is too late and we are already attacked. What is scary is now this has become your battle cry for nukes. Let everyone build nukes because it wouldn't be fair for us to tell another country bent on attacking us that they shouldn't have nukes.

So we should have allowed USSR to put nukes, pointed at US, in Cuba? If you believe so, then we have nothing more to discuss.

Chavez has stated he is stockpiling arms for Americans. Not to mention the guy is trying to rule Venezuela for life and is making deals with another dictator in Putin.

It's not fair for us to tell another country what to do. In fact it's wrong, straigt up wrong. But that's been the policy of the United States since it's existence. It probably always will be.

Chavez has stated he is stockpiling arms for Americans? Where did he say that? Do you have proof or are you again using anecdotal evidence with nothing to back it up?

Yeah he is trying to rule Venezuela for life, and that's exactly why he'd never attack the United States or cut us off from our oil addiction. Because his own party members and supporters would turn on his ass in two days and he'd be booted out of office.