Bull . This team has only shown shades of contender status in the last 15 games or so. For most of the first four months of the season their chemistry was horrible and there was no discernable arc of improvement. Even after the ASB the team looked a poor fit for each other.
As for Ginbobili, it wasn't obvious that he would become what he is today until late-February. During December and January he looked like he had lost a step and just about all of his explosion at the basket, although his smarts were partly compensating for his bodily decline.
I'm afraid you are the one making up revisionist history and talking nonsense.
You guys tire me.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...4&postcount=80
Go read what I wrote about the Spurs in the same thread. There are more of that kind. I don't like to say "I told you so", but this "you're wrong, you're being revisionist" thing is pretty lame.
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Props for a pretty good call but there's a big difference between saying Ginobili isn't done and predicting Ginobili would begin playing better than ever. A search shows me what isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
And I was right in that one as well. Ginobili shot-selection changed 3 years ago and it's not coming back. And I wasn't simply stating Ginobili wasn't done, it was pretty clear I meant he'd be good enough to make the Spurs contenders.
Ginobili isn't playing better than ever. You're falling in the same mistake of being reactionary that made you see the Spurs as contenders due to their close losses to good teams+players rounding into form, as if that was meaningful. Simply an issue of form+role.
The perception of Manu's value is greatly affected by playing in the Spurs: the role Popovich uses him + Duncan's shadow + playing along a ball-dominant scoring pg like Parker.
Ginobili in another ball club, playing 37mpg instead of 30, as the primary shot-creator and as the best player in his team would put up way more impressive stats - 24/6/6 or something like that + good defense = the perception of him amongst NBA fans (including Spurs fans) would be very different.
If Manu could play 37 minutes a game he'd be playing it on the Spurs. That he can only play that amount has nothing to do with his role on the Spurs but rather its the other way around.
kinda sad that we are in season 2009-2010 and still having to explain that one
It did come back. That's partly why he's playing so well. 40% of his field goal attempts in March were at the rim.
Your quote was "I don't think Ginobili is done". Perhaps you meant more. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Fixed, unfortunately.
The thing that is great to me is just the buzz that is going on right now. It is like you can feel the excitement oozing through the board.
You seem to be completely oblivious to the difference that playing in a different role makes. If he's running a lot more pick'n'rolls, of course he's going to get there more. But in March, Manu took 5 shots at the rim for a total of 15 shot attempts per game. That's 33%, not 40%.
Or you could simply read the rest of the thread and see why was the issue being discussed.
Nonsense.
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For the season, Manu is taking 12.1 shots per game. 3.7 are at the rim. That's 30% - not far away from the 32% he shot in March.
Last season, Manu attempted 491 shots. 136 at the rim - 28%.
The differences are minuscule. Lately he can play the high screenroll more and he's asked to score more, so that explains the very small difference you're seeing. Once he returns to his former role, things will regress to the mean.
You guys are allowing small samples and superficial indicators to fool you, pretty much like what happened when Manu was supposedly ended as a AS type of player.
From the abyss, our hopes now are coming high for this team. Call me a homer, but i always believed in our team to tough it out and inflict major damage in the PO when healthy. From what I've seen, TD seemed to be playing possum for several games, but his game is now coming back. TP is back, RJ is doing his role, and Manu is beasting. Memo to other teams: Be afraid! Be very afraid! We're coming!
You couldn't wait two more days LJ?
nvm
For me its two things.
Rotations offensively and defensively
and chemistry on the defensive end.
I love what I see on the defensive end lately. They are rotating they re covering each other, they are forcing bad shots getting defensive rebounds. Guys like Jefferson McDyess are finally living up to what we expected earlier in the year.
I love how McDyess looked tonight. He stayed with a younger and quicker Landry well and while didn't stop alot of shots, he defended him very well. He also pulled down some clutch rebounds on the offensive and defensive end.
Jefferson was freaking awesome. His agression in that 4th going to the hoop and getting buckets was clutch. Very very encouraged by what I'm seeing out of RJ.
And there is the #1 pussy internet stalker who makes threats and then needs "10 strapped s from the local crip gang" to meet a scawny methhead
you pussy, you don't rate.
I already have certain threads that talk about LAL's weaknesses and issues.timvp, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind discussing the potential first round matchups the Spurs would face and who we would have the best chances against in the opening round?
I think at this point Denver would be a great first round opponent since there is no guarantee K-Mart would be back for the opening game and George Karl would be absent as well. I'm sure we can all agree the Lakers and Mavs wold be our worst bets.
Good to have you back
If you want input Timvp, I'll gladly be your SoCal correspondent & contributor.
Indeed. RJ looks like a completely different player than he did earlier in the season. If he can keep this up through the playoffs, it really makes the Spurs a dangerous opponent and sets up an interesting offseason decision on him.
Pop going CIA again. Trying to lull opponents to believe the Spurs are gone. And at the same time not putting additional pressure on the team to deliver a championship.
Watch the team hit on all cylinders during the playoffs.
Go Spurs Go!
I don't doubt that you got it right, I wasn't calling you on that - you said it was "obvious" that Ginobili would get back to this kind of form, and that is not correct. No way. You quote statistics, and that's fine, but go back and look at the games. He couldn't get by his man, he couldn't finish, his shot was wayward, he had no explosion, and that was 6 weeks after he came back. He was compensating for it with smarts and amazing passing, but it wasn't "obvious" that his body hadn't broken down to the point where he might have dropped a level as a player.
Also, don't cherry pick my posts. If you're going to quote a post quote the whole thing. As I already said, it certainly wasn't obvious that the Spurs would find this kind of chemistry with 15 games to go in the season. Any half-smart NBA fan knows the Spurs are late-peakers, but they've never peaked as late as this before, especially after struggling for most of the season.
I have to laugh at guys like you who only look at stats. Did you bother to watch him play? If you did you'd know that in the last month to six weeks his play has been completely different - he's gotten his first step and most of his explosion back.
Me too, it's improved massively, and in a ridiculously short time. After looking feckless for 60+ games, they flipped the switch... who would've thought they'd be able to back in Jan/Feb?
Feckless? You Aussies and your English
And as for a ridiculously short time, you could say that it's simply...about time.
Actually, I know very few people who would ever use the word "feckless". I'm educated, have read a lot and have a broad vocabulary which I use. I'd say the odd words in my posting are more representative of me than of the average Aussie, most of whom use more slang than anything!Feckless? You Aussies and your English
And as for a ridiculously short time, you could say that it's simply...about time.
Yeah, about time the D and chemistry turned up. Damn straight!
BTW, I meant it in the 1st sense, not the 2nd - I think they were trying, they just sucked:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fecklessfeck·less/ˈfɛklɪs
–adjective
1. ineffective; incompetent; futile: feckless attempts to repair the plumbing.
2. having no sense of responsibility; indifferent; lazy.
Origin:
1590–1600; orig. Scots, equiv. to feck, late ME (Scots) fek, aph. form of effeck (Scots form of effect) + -less
—Related forms
feck·less·ly, adverb
feck·less·ness, noun
—Can be confused: feckless, reckless.
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