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Oh, and LMAO at all the "fixtures" of this board, coming back to post after giving up on our season weeks ago...great job guys way to bleed silver and black
"Enjoy a Timvp 12 hour marathon, guys! We are winning again...even without my boy!"
I'm calling bull . On Timvp's whole "in defense of Tony" post, the whole analysis, and the entire response (without even reading them all).
First, the offense with Tony is usually directed in one of a few ways: pick and roll, drive to the cup, kick out for three, or Tony jumpshot.
Without Tony, as we have all seen, we have ball movement...side to side, front to back, on the break...guys aren't looking at Tony to see what his next move is going to be. They are making moves without the ball, making passes, not waiting to see if Tony is going to kick to them or not.
With Tony, we live and die with Tony, Tim and the long ball.
What the stats don't show (and why Timvp's analysis fails) is the reason this team is gelling now, after Tony goes down. Other guys have joined the effort. We are playing like a team... not just on offense but on defense as well (good defense follows confidence and trust, which follows team play on offense). Guys aren't standing around waiting for Tony's cue, they are attacking the other team, with or without the ball. How do you quantify this in the stats? You can't. At least not very well.
But lets try at least..so how about measuring our play by... the play of the team (odd concept!)? We wandered aimlessly all season, then when Tony goes down we find a team gelling on both ends of the floor. Excuses, justifications, stats, etc wont hide the realities of this season. But I believe we must learn from this to contend THIS YEAR.
IMO, when Tony is in the game, we have a 50% chance of getting a one-and-done, whether that's a TP jumper, a TD jumper or drive with no foul, a TP drive with no foul call and Tony on his butt, or a kick out to guys on the 3 that we can't trust (outside of Manu and Bonner). That kills runs, it kills other player's involvement, they dont get touches and they go cold. It kills easy shot opportunities. It makes games harder to win, and creates wear and tear on our old guys.
Stats to support? How about Pop not being able to rest TD this season after we play ty ball all year, so ty that most Spurs fans turn their back and walk away from the scene? How many back to backs has TD rested? I blame that on the lack of production from our role players (obvious point).
Without Tony, we have done a much better job of getting good shots because the ball is moving and so is our squad. The old offense (yes, the one that won championships) is stale, and like it or not, teams like Dallas and L.A. hope that we show up with that stale three-pronged attack. Contenders will let us win one or two in a series with hot three point shooting, and flame out overall because, as we have shown, we dont have perimeter killers who can sustain the effort over seven games.
On the other hand, they hope we don't move the ball, catching them off guard, finding Blair/Tim/Dice/RJ/Bogans right under the bucket. That is what we have been doing, and we have been beating le contenders...
...without Tony you say???? Gasp!!! You mean team play CAN overcome long odds??? You mean guys playing for each other CAN contend??? As Spurs fans, I thought that fact was a given for us all...
But blaming Tony is not the answer...Blame the stale three pronged attack!!!!
This gameplan is the product of years of championship success. It worked for years, but when other teams began to have success against it (or better yet age caught Timmy), and (most important) when our defense dwindled, we should have come up with something new.
Our downfall was that we simply continued to go to the well, even after it was obvious that there wasnt even enough in that approach to beat average teams, holding our hat in our hands and hoping it would come back.
It almost cost us the season. I blame Pop for this. There were times in past seasons when this team wanted Tony to be in constant attack mode. Tony attacked so much last year, he was gassed late in the season and in most 4th quarters. This was Pop's call.
But THIS YEAR, we needed help for Tim. We needed to integrate new faces. We needed other guys to earn their money. And when Tony went down, and MORE IMPORTANTLY when Pop was driven away from the well for 20 games, we did just that. No stats required. We beat contenders. That's what counts. The point is obvious. And in my estimation, Tony's play last night in Sacto shows that both he and Pop are trying to sustain things as they developed during his absence, not clog them up by going back to a dry well.
So the big question: NOW WHAT?
This team needs Tony to: 1) facilitate ball movement, not assists or point production OR TIMMY (TD can fend for himself)... and 2) attack the basket, but without calling his own number. If it's there it's there. If not, keep the ball moving.
Pop is the master of the Spurs attack each and every night, so if this happens it will be because he demanded it. And for what it's worth to all you Tony fanboys/girlss, I believe Tony will do what is asked from him to benefit the team.
One more time for the thumb.
Oh, and LMAO at all the "fixtures" of this board, coming back to post after giving up on our season weeks ago...great job guys way to bleed silver and black
"Enjoy a Timvp 12 hour marathon, guys! We are winning again...even without my boy!"
Stats lie...we have not been as good with TP as with George. And frontrunner fans need to be called out, even when they have >10000 posts or they own the board.
too long to read
timvp and I have had two new additions to our family in the last two months - that's why we haven't been on the board that much. It doesn't have to do with the Spurs record
oh, the irony...
As the others said - too long to read, and you're an idiot (not sure if anyone said that, but I am).
Why don't you and peskypesky go live on an island somehwere and talk about how great the Spurs would be with TP?
Typical newbie fail.
The cliff notes version is "All of this should have been posted in the thread that TIMVP created about the Spurs with Tony vs. Spurs without Tony"
actually, he put forth some compelling points amidst the high word count
" Vaughn, Get Lebron!"
I knew this, and the absence was excused. Not sure how you can go from new parent with no time to 12-hour-marathon-post-anything-goes though
"I have 300 posts, but I'm a better fan than you. Trade Tony Parker. Pop Sucks. LJ and Kori are crap fans because they dared to take care of their baby."
Great, but should he start a new thread to in order to make a counterpoint to a post in an already existing thread? If so, then I probably should have started a new thread for this post en led "Doldrums misses point, read inside"
Not sure how you can go from new parent with no time to 12-hour-marathon-post-anything-goes though
Because I said that I would watch both the kids so that he could have some computer time the other night.
If you read it (which I assume ADD prevents) its not Tony at fault...it is our insistence on going to the well...
You reply with two sentences and call me an idiot? Best you can do? really?
It's not a bad post with valid points, unlike your other "I hate Parker" threads. But accusing timvp of only posting because the Spurs have improved lately is obnoxious and insulting.
Pretty good post. Not sure why you didn't post it in thread you were referring. Maybe the rhyming thread le was too difficult to resist.
Why do people keep comparing what a healthy George Hill has been able to do vs. an injured and ailing Parker?
Did you that Shawn Bradley was a better center in the 90s than Hakeem if both of his feet were severed and one of his arms were ripped off?
Parker has been playing at around 60% this year. If 60% Tony is even in the debate compared to Hill, how is Hill better than a healthy Parker?
Tony wasn't holding this team back. His 30 injuries were.
You can change the le on your post. C'mon!
It was not only aimed at Timvp, even if it does seem to be. This board has been deserted ever since around the time Timvp declared us dead. The lack of Spurstalk royalty posting during our struggles was pretty much complete, aside from a few.
As far as I am concerned though, spoiled spurs fans who never learned not to give up on our squad are insulting. Our team has been the dark horse for years, you would think our fans would not be so ready to fold during adversity.
And for the record, I dont hate TP...I never have. Go back and look at all my posts, I just hate the game we play with him as the head of the attack. TP would make a of a SG IMO. But to say I hate him is a bald lie.
Ive said it from day one...even as a southsider. Prove it otherwise...you cant. Go back and review the posts...youll surprise yourself.
Parker fans hate me because I speak my mind about Parker. I hate Parker fans because in them I see Kobe fans, just with a different fixation, a different guy filling it up. No need for intangibles or wins. Last season, too many people were happy to sing TP's praises while we floundered all year long.
And to me the Spurs are about team, and thats why I started rooting for them in the 80's. Its easy to understand, and unfortunately its easy to twist as well.
Its not about Parker or Hill, its about ball movement and team play. With it, we are contenders. Without it, we are lost.
nice post le change
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