Manu to sign extension

[ElNono]

It gets better with every post... So it's OK for the Lakers to pay market value for Artest, who is actually on a more pronounced decline than Manu, but the Spurs should not pay market value for Ginobili?

[Mel_13]

nope, someone else trying to put words in my mouth

No, just putting your own words in your mouth.

I guess the Spurs have no desire to remain compe ive after this year

Now answer the question.

How does this extension make the Spurs less compe ive next year?

[vander]

I love it when guys on a message board try to play "virtual GM" like they for sure know how to manage the team better than R.C. Buford and Pop.

I mean, what has RC Buford/Pop's management gotten us over this last decade? A measly 4 rings?

Probably could've been 6 or 7 if vander were at the helm. Maybe even 12 or 13. That's right you heard me, 13 championships in 10 years. Vander's just that good.

well, I don't know about 13, that's a little extreme, but thank you, I'm flattered

but seriously, don't fool yourself, RC/Pop get Zero rings without TD/the ping pong balls, but TD still gets at least 4 rings wherever he might have ended up.

what's the point of even coming here with an at ude of the FO knows best because they are the FO? you just come here to sing their praises? I doubt they read much if any of this stuff, if you want them to know how awesome you think they are, try fan-mail, or the telephone, or stalking

[MaNu4Tres]

Very deserving for Manu.

Considering how Kobe got a 3 year extension for roughly 84 million, 40 million/3 years for Manu is a great deal for both sides.

Glad to see Holt and his investors still committed to winning for years to come!!

[vander]

No, just putting your own words in your mouth.





Now answer the question.

How does this extension make the Spurs less compe ive next year?

wow, so you can't understand how paying double the value for talent hurts a team AND, just like baseline-bum, you think the future ends after next year

[baseline bum]

nope, someone else trying to put words in my mouth

Yeah, you were putting words in your mouth

I guess the Spurs have no desire to remain compe ive after this year

Bynum is a great young talent, Morrison was actually part of a salary dump. a dozen teams would have given Artest that contract, that's market rate, and Walton is a smart player who might be a little overpaid but not much, and he isn't getting worse as his contract gets bigger. those are all pretty much terrible examples, that team spends much more than the Spurs and still spends it all smarterreally? really? all of those guys signed contracts going INTO their prime, not 5 years past it, not to mention what I already said about Cuban's spending, and keeping young stars, that you just ignored. "moving the goalposts", no it is you moving them, all over, trying to find any other overpaid player on a good team to justify Manu.

I'm not moving any goalposts, kobe fan. You said bad teams overpay players, and I gave you lots of examples of the top teams in the league overpaying players. You're the one continually making up excuses.

MLE, and it's a 3 year deal, you'd rather us continue to not have cap room while the team gets worse and older? there goes all of our 2011 cap room, guess we'll have no choice but to overpay Parker just like Manu, better than letting him walk for nothing, and then before you know it, it's 2013 and we're still clutching to (and paying for) the past, still in a slow decline, no longer even a playoff team, instead of rebuilding in 2010-2012 and being on the way back up.

So your solution is let Parker walk too? And cap room? Who the cares about cap room? San Antonio has never been and will never be much of a free-agent destination. They had tons of it in 03 and got Radoslav Nesterovic out of it, despite having one of the youngest cores to ever win a le.

you're pretty short-sighted, caring only about next year.

I care about not losing one of the three most important players on the team for nothing. Letting Ginobili walk for a fantasy about 2011 completely throws the towel in on this team ever competing for another le before going back to the lottery and winning a #1 pick again.

[vander]

You're pretty delusional if you think the Spurs could have signed Manu for the MLE.

if we can't then we don't

[MaNu4Tres]

wow, so you can't understand how paying double the value for talent hurts a team AND, just like baseline-bum, you think the future ends after next year

Manu has been underpaid his entire career besides the year and a half before the all-star break this year.

Spurs will not be paying double the value for the talent of Manu, unless he's injured.

He's worth every penny.

[baseline bum]

wow, so you can't understand how paying double the value for talent hurts a team AND, just like baseline-bum, you think the future ends after next year

It's a stupid analogy. Bonner's a bad player who doesn't deserve a contract period and Ginobili is one this team absolutely cannot win without.

[DAF86]

if we can't then we don't

Well, but then the "compe iveness" you want on the Spurs would be gone.

[baseline bum]

Well, but then the "compe iveness" you want on the Spurs would be gone.

12 year-old Kobe fans don't want the Spurs to be compe ive.

[Mel_13]

wow, so you can't understand how paying double the value for talent hurts a team AND, just like baseline-bum, you think the future ends after next year

Still avoiding the question.

You said that this extension makes the Spurs less compe ive next season.

Now if want to back away from that contention, that is understandable, but you stand by it yet are unwilling to explain it.

So do the right thing. Admit you were wrong with your initial statement or explain how the Spurs are better next year without Manu.

Stop the dancing and backtracking.

[Pentagruel]

Personally I think that if Manu can stay healthy he will be worth every penny of this extension. I do not think he will decline dramatically over the next three years as to no warrant a 3-year 40 million paycheck. , Kobe is recieving more then 80 million in the same time-slot and I would argue Manu has more left in the tank then he does.

Certainly this extension gives us a better shot to win next year. The real question is, even with Manu, do we have a legitimate chance to win a le next season and is that chance worth the risk of destroying your cap space for the future? I think it's a close call but with the stellar play of the team at the close of this current season I have hope that with some more time and a few very minor tweaks to the roster this offseason we have a good enough chance to win to take that risk.

Lastly... Manu Ginobili is a special player for the Spurs, and it makes me happy that he likely finishes his career in San Antonio, even if its a risky decision for the franchise.

[Cherry]

1- YEAH!

2- RUMOR: In 15 days, Manu will announce to the C.A.B.B he won't play this Summer.

[vander]

Yeah, you were putting words in your mouth





I'm not moving any goalposts, kobe fan. You said bad teams overpay players, and I gave you lots of examples of the top teams in the league overpaying players. You're the one continually making up excuses.

many failures of logic here, first, none of those players were overpaid to the extent Manu is being overpaid, only a couple are even close, most of them have specific situations that demanded a little overpayment for future returns, others were trades, and then Dallas is Dallas really a model of how to successfully spend money? Dallas overpays, so we should too

but the #1 failure of logic here is that I said overpaying players is what bad teams do, I did not say good teams never overpay players. you look across the rosters of the bad teams in this league, and you will see that their money is mostly misspent, and Spurs will soon be among them.

So your solution is let Parker walk too? And cap room? Who the cares about cap room? San Antonio has never been and will never be much of a free-agent destination. They had tons of it in 03 and got Radoslav Nesterovic out of it, despite having one of the youngest cores to ever win a le.

I would have wanted to trade Parker this off season, but what's the point now anymore, we're forced to watch the continued steady decline of the Spurs as build around the Big 3. 47 wins next year, 44 the next...

I care about not losing one of the three most important players on the team for nothing. Letting Ginobili walk for a fantasy about 2011 completely throws the towel in on this team ever competing for another le before going back to the lottery and winning a #1 pick again.

you think this team can win a le next year with these same guys another year older?

you lose every player eventually, we're going to lose Manu one way or another, from a basketball ability standpoint, we've already lost much of him, as well as TD, yet you want to keep paying for 110% of Manu while he's at 60% and falling fast

I want a return to contention, it appears as though you don't really care about the post-big 3-Spurs, or le contention, you just want to see the same old Spurs as long as possible, no matter how far they have fallen.

[vander]

You said that this extension makes the Spurs less compe ive next season.

please quote where I used the words "next season"

and do you think anyone is fooled by this childish little play you're making? you think you're really making any kind of arrangement here?

please learn to read, please learn to think.

raise the bar

[MaNuMaNiAc]

why is everone arguing with vander on this?? Seriously, do you people not know who he is?

[vander]

Well, but then the "compe iveness" you want on the Spurs would be gone.

well, you are a Spurs fan from Argentina, so I can't really fault you for thinking that Manu will continue to play like the last 3 weeks for the next 12 years.

compe ive, as you are using it, was probably the wrong word in my original post here, surely we will be "compe ive" with Manu here, over the next 2, maybe even 3 years, in the way that Charlotte, or Houston, is "compe ive" now. and for many of you here, that is apparently good enough.

I meant compe ive as to compete for the le again after a brief rebuilding process.

a few games over .500 and a first round exit isn't compe ive in my book

[vander]

why is everone arguing with vander on this?? Seriously, do you people not know who he is?

when you can't argue, label FTW

[Spurs Brazil]

JMac_SAENManu says extension not done, but "it's closer than it's ever been." "We should have something in a day or two," he says. #spurs

http://twitter.com/JMac_SAEN

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...extension.html

[Mel_13]

please quote where I used the words "next season"

The quote has been provided numerous times. Here it is again:

I guess the Spurs have no desire to remain compe ive after this year

Those are your words and the meaning is clear, that the Spurs are compe ive this year and will no longer be so after this year as a result of the extension. Next season is after this year.

So are you going to answer the question?

How does this extension make the Spurs less compe ive next season?

[ElNono]

when you can't argue, label FTW

What is there to argue? That your crystal ball is better than mine?
You've been unequivocally wrong about Manu before, I see no reason why you can't continue to be...

[ElNono]

http://twitter.com/JMac_SAEN

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblog...extension.html

As usual, Mac is late to the party...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

when you can't argue, label FTW

yeah because we haven't heard all this bull from you before. I can argue, but for so long... before I realize you're just hating. Your whole bull argument lies on the premise that Manu is done and what he is playing now is just a fluke. The same bull you've been spewing for years now. You were wrong then, what the makes you think you'll be right now?

P.S. You've been labeled for some time now, this thread's idiotic back and forth notwithstanding

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I have a feeling that Hill's emergence coupled with Manu's play has the front office thinking they can swing a trade for Parker or Jefferson (or both) this summer.

Me too, and I wouldn't be opposed to trading either. Despite his resurgence at the end of the season, Jefferson is clearly a poor fit, and although I love TP and respect all he's done for the team, his body is starting to wear down, and for a player who relies on speed to be effective, that is a disaster - trade him while his value is still high, hopefully after a good playoffs.

Just think though - we could have grabbed Salmons at the deadline and solidified the swing rotation, but the FO passed... maybe they have bigger plans?