Stop the Tony Parker hate!

[oski1000]

TRADE PARKER. SAVE MONEY.

[Pauleta14]

Lets make him shooting guard instead, and let a real point run the offense? He is awesome putting up points...let him do that, but let someone else run the show.

Ok, let's try something...

Put your opinion/feelings aside, and ask yourself :

- How, with such a bad/useless PG did the Spurs manage to be the most succesfull team in the NBA (and in all sports!) during the time that guy was a starter in the team?

- How so many coaches and people who have "proven" BB knowledge gave praise to Tony (as being the "head of the snake")?

- Are the Spurs made to be an uptempo/catch and shoot team?

- Do they need a PG who does that?

- Are there any other team in the league that has 3 main stars with ALL such playmaking abilities (leading to share the passing load)?

- Do you watch/analyse also what NOT in the stats line?
(For instance, the threat Tony is in the paint makes opposit team adjust their plans, even if he doesn't score, the fact that he penetrates is SO important in our/any systams...)

- Do you HONESTLY think you have the same indulgence for Tony's bad games/failures that you have for ANY other players in the team? (not only Tim and Manu!)

- Do you have a selective memory? (this is not sarcasm!)



Just ask yourself HONESTLY...

[Slomo]

[Pauleta14]

[Dr. Gonzo]

I like the Parker hate and the Parker love. It makes for a great board to be able to have both sides. Why would anyone want that censored?

[Parker2112]

Ok, let's try something...

Put your opinion/feelings aside, and ask yourself :

- How, with such a bad/useless PG did the Spurs manage to be the most succesfull team in the NBA (and in all sports!) during the time that guy was a starter in the team?

He has had different stages throughout his career. Early on, it took a second string PG with heart named Speedy to bail him out. Honestly. Later, he found his game and began to dominate, which benefited us because we needed the scoring. Now we need more than he can deliver by himself, so we need him to make others around him better, which he has never been asked to do, and honestly outside of timmy he is not very effective at this. Honest.

- How so many coaches and people who have "proven" BB knowledge gave praise to Tony (as being the "head of the snake")?

Over the years he has done what Pop wanted as the "head of the snake." Pop utilized him for what he was good at. But now at no fault of Tony's, the other parts of the snake have dwindled, and we need a different gameplan. We dont have the same guys in Tim and Bruce and Big Shot Rob, and we desparately need the guys we have to get involved.

- Are the Spurs made to be an uptempo/catch and shoot team?

We dont have shooters that I trust outside of manu and bonner, and even bonner hasnt done it in the playoffs, which some players are never able to do. So again, though we used to be this, now the answer is no.

- Do they need a PG who does that?

They need to be less predictable, with a less straightforward attack. Swing the ball, get the defense off balance then attack, regardless of who gets the opportunity.

- Are there any other team in the league that has 3 main stars with ALL such playmaking abilities (leading to share the passing load)?

Lakers come to mind...

- Do you watch/analyse also what NOT in the stats line?
(For instance, the threat Tony is in the paint makes opposit team adjust their plans, even if he doesn't score, the fact that he penetrates is SO important in our/any systams...)

Tony is one man. I hope Pop takes advantage of ALL our young guys who can get to the bucket (Hill, Jefferson, Malik) and keep the other team guessing. Dont assume that TP can beat a defense that is geared to stop him specifically. The TP theory only works until you play a great team with a great coach and a great scheme to stop TP. then we will be forced to rely on the role players so its best that we get them tuned up before the playoffs.

- Do you HONESTLY think you have the same indulgence for Tony's bad games/failures that you have for ANY other players in the team? (not only Tim and Manu!)

I criticize Timmy on a regular basis. Manu too. Pop. I am a critical dude.

- Do you have a selective memory? (this is not sarcasm!) Just ask yourself HONESTLY...

I think everyone does to some extent. I think our team has changed to the point that we have very different needs at the point guard position. The loss of the guys above, and Timmy's decline, along with great new talent has changed the landscape drastically, and the old tony hurts where he used to help. But its not tony, like i said, its the scheme.

[Pauleta14]

I like the Parker hate and the Parker love. It makes for a great board to be able to have both sides. Why would anyone want that censored?

There are big differences...

The Parker "haters" really HATE Tony, obviously, but the Parker "homers", don't all love Tony! (many of them even prefer Manu!...count me!)
They are just amazed by the "arguments" of the "haters", that are mainly due to "emotional blindness" or just lack of knowledge/memory...

I don't want anything to be censored, the only thing I'd like is an EQUAL treatment for all our players in our comments...

I'd like to see some of the "haters" give him credits for what he brings/brang to the team, the same way many "homers" critisized him during games when he ed up...

I have a dream...

[Dr. Gonzo]

There are big differences...

The Parker "haters" really HATE Tony, obviously, but the Parker "homers", don't all love Tony! (many of them even prefer Manu!...count me!)
They are just amazed by the "arguments" of the "haters", that are mainly due to "emotional blindness" or just lack of knowledge/memory...

I don't want anything to be censored, the only thing I'd like is an EQUAL treatment for all our players in our comments...

I'd like to see some of the "haters" give him credits for what he brings/brang to the team, the same way many "homers" critisized him during games when he ed up...

I have a dream...

Welcome to the interwebs. That isn't gonna happen.

[Pauleta14]

He has had different stages throughout his career. Early on, it took a second string PG with heart named Speedy to bail him out. Honestly. Later, he found his game and began to dominate, which benefited us because we needed the scoring. Now we need more than he can deliver by himself, so we need him to make others around him better, which he has never been asked to do, and honestly outside of timmy he is not very effective at this. Honest.

Over the years he has done what Pop wanted as the "head of the snake." Pop utilized him for what he was good at. But now at no fault of Tony's, the other parts of the snake have dwindled, and we need a different gameplan. We dont have the same guys in Tim and Bruce and Big Shot Rob, and we desparately need the guys we have to get involved.


We dont have shooters that I trust outside of manu and bonner, and even bonner hasnt done it in the playoffs, which some players are never able to do. So again, though we used to be this, now the answer is no.


They need to be less predictable, with a less straightforward attack. Swing the ball, get the defense off balance then attack, regardless of who gets the opportunity.


Lakers come to mind...


Tony is one man. I hope Pop takes advantage of ALL our young guys who can get to the bucket (Hill, Jefferson, Malik) and keep the other team guessing. Dont assume that TP can beat a defense that is geared to stop him specifically. The TP theory only works until you play a great team with a great coach and a great scheme to stop TP. then we will be forced to rely on the role players so its best that we get them tuned up before the playoffs.


I criticize Timmy on a regular basis. Manu too. Pop. I am a critical dude.


I think everyone does to some extent. I think our team has changed to the point that we have very different needs at the point guard position. The loss of the guys above, and Timmy's decline, along with great new talent has changed the landscape drastically, and the old tony hurts where he used to help. But its not tony, like i said, its the scheme.

1/ Thanks for taking time answering

2/ How do you answer seperalely differents quote of a message? (I'm not used to chat, except on ST)

Anyway, there are a few things we can agree and a few ...

For example, please don't bring me again the Speedy Claxton thing...
I followed the whole season and PO, and Speedy was nowhere near to be as reliable as (a very young!) Tony on a regular basis!
Tony was the best scorer and one of our best asset after 3 games (on 6) against Jason Kidd at his best! The Nets finaly adjusted for the last 3 games and often put a double team on Tony!
If we can agree he shoked durind the 2 last games 4th quarters, he was OVERALL A MAJOR PIECE OF THE 2003 LE !
Speedy came up when NOBODY's expecting him, was great for us, but don't overate his contibution and underate Tony's, it's unfair...

You talked about needing a PG that is "less predictable".... really, Tony, predictable?
Yes a predictable "ankle breaker" for the opposit team!!!
I'M TALKING ABOUT A HEALTHY TONY (you saw him not that long ago...)
The guy can be a nightmare at changing direction and penetrating either to score or open the flore for a 3...
Even if you can "predict" it, there's nothing you can do to stop that when it's well executed, NOTHING... and Tony is one of the best at doing it!
And once again MOST of our offence also goes to Timmy and Manu , the load is much more shared than what you seemed to think/remember...

About the Lakers... you're right, they are the other exception... ONLY since a couple years!!!
The Spurs have had this "specific" big 3 for 8 years...

I have the feeling that , in fact, with what you saw last year from Tony, you're afraid that he could become our main go-to guy and the team would adjust to him... RELAX, IT WON'T HAPPEN!!
You should just see Tony as a great weappon that has worked better and better over the years... and WAIT UNTILL HE IS BACK IN SHAPE TO JUDGE HIM!

About criticizing Timmy and Manu also, to you, I was talking in general on ST not just about you...

About your last point, don't you think that a player like Tony (and Manu btw) can help Timmy extend his carrere?
They are guys that can score by themselves at a high %(whitch is a rare thing) + they know each other so well, that we would be short of time if we had to rebuild with a different PG (unless it's a top 3 one!!).

[kaji157]

Hey all of you must understand that the love a player gets usually responds not only to the way he plays but to the perception the fans get of their efforts.
Manu makes you feel compelled to like himfor whatever reason, Tony actually, not so much.
Both had the same oportunities to showcase their likeness, for whatever reason, Manu outscored TP in the fourth. :P

[Spurs7794]

I don't understand the haters claiming that since Tony came back, he's been ballhogging and killing chemistry. He's been actively looking to pass in the last two games...so much so that I wanted him to attack more.

[DesignatedT]

+1

Parker2112 > Pop

aww thats cute.

[Quiet Strength]

Parker has had a very bad season and hill has had a great season. I don't hate parker at all and I dont understand why any spurs fan would want him traded. I do want the spurs to at least get somewhere in the playoffs and not another first round exit and parker is just not the answer this season. I see that parker is passing more but its still not helping the team like hill was and parker's defense is still looking pathetic. I know he just came back from injury but it seems to be hurting the team more than helping and it's too late in the season for the team to adjust to him again but since hill isn't playing anymore he is the only good option at pg.

[Sisk]

aww thats cute.

[jjktkk]

I don't understand the haters claiming that since Tony came back, he's been ballhogging and killing chemistry. He's been actively looking to pass in the last two games...so much so that I wanted him to attack more.

Just some folks that are lacking in evaluating NBA talent.

[duhoh]

lol fans that think they're smarter than the professionals, when they could never handle it

[ohmwrecker]

Speedy Claxton? Are you serious?! How many apgs did Claxton average as a Spur? Better yet, how many apgs has any PG averaged as a Spur in the Popovich era? Somebody needs to look that up. Not me because I'm lazy. I'm more of an "idea" guy.

[Bruno]

I've been on ST for 5 years and there have always have Parker haters. 5 years ago, people wanted to trade Parker to let Beno being the starting PG...

At first, I was annoyed by that. Now, I just laugh at the stupidity of Parker's haters. I have no problem with people criticizing Parker. He is nowhere near a perfect player and he has some flaws. Saying that, Parker's haters are excessive and what is excessive is stupid. They can write as much posts as they want, create some strange theories or write novel-like posts, what they are saying is nowhere near the reality on the court.

The more haters hates, the more energy they spend at it, the more I laugh of them. Keep hating guys, your stupidity is somewhat entertaining.

[austN Spur]

@ the slomo post ^^^^^^^

thats how i picture the parker lovers when someone says something bad about him. Someone else opinion can't be changed and if they wanna hate i'm cool with it. "

"What you eat dont make me "

[DesignatedT]

[spursrocks]

we badly missed the 3 point shooting and defensive presence of george hill, he might have helped big time against phoenix last night. sad to say but parker's only asset is to penetrate.
but.. parker is slow cause he isnt healthy
parker's shooting is affected cause his hand just got injured. coach pop will definitly start the healthier point guard right? i personally wont start a 70% parker. i would rather start a 100% georgie
we are not parker haters. we just want george to start and parker to lead the 2nd unit.

[spursrocks]

i say start george when comes back, retain the starting line up that destroyed teams like cleveland, boston, orlando, thunder, houston and lakers. then tony leading the bench 2nd unit.

[Brazil]

I've been on ST for 5 years and there have always have Parker haters. 5 years ago, people wanted to trade Parker to let Beno being the starting PG...

At first, I was annoyed by that. Now, I just laugh at the stupidity of Parker's haters. I have no problem with people criticizing Parker. He is nowhere near a perfect player and he has some flaws. Saying that, Parker's haters are excessive and what is excessive is stupid. They can write as much posts as they want, create some strange theories or write novel-like posts, what they are saying is nowhere near the reality on the court.

The more haters hates, the more energy they spend at it, the more I laugh of them. Keep hating guys, your stupidity is somewhat entertaining.

pretty spot on as usual Bruno. I'm in the transition phasis, I try to relax and laugh at all this b/s.

[senorglory]

If you hate Parker, turn in your jersey.

[roycrikside]

I like the Parker hate and the Parker love. It makes for a great board to be able to have both sides. Why would anyone want that censored?

See, that's just it right there. You've pretty much stumbled upon the secret of Spurstalk that neither Kori or LJ will ever, ever admit.

They could end the Tony v. Manu bull on this board once and forever by just coming out and stating for the record who they think is the better player, who's more valuable, etc.

But they never will. They'll always be neutral and diplomatic, and say they like and support both equally, like parents do with children. Even though just like with any real family, one child is more gifted than another, or one child succeeds more...

The reality is, that while Kori and LJ make a show of admonishing people who "hate" Tony or "hate" Manu, really they love it. They're not stupid. They know it drives their board.

How much of ST is Parker bashing or Manu bashing? 40%? 50%? What would the post counts in here be nary a discouraging word was said about neither?

You guys really think it's a coincidence that people like Ducks never get banned? Those two love Ducks. They ing love him. If he didn't exist, they'd make him up. They know that as dumb as he is, he drives the CoM insane, and that increases post counts.

Let's cut the BS and call a spade a spade. The more we about Tony and Manu the more $ Kori and LJ make.