Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 46
  1. #1
    Veteran noob cake's Avatar
    My Team
    Houston Rockets
    Post Count
    2,065
    So during the NCAA tournament, Sagarin, RPI, and Pomeroy (aka computerized rankings) pretty much raped every one.

    So today I was checking our Sagarin and noticed how low the Mavs are rated. Then I remembered Trollinger's power ranking from a few weeks back; to my surprise, the Mavs are ranked even lower now.

    Hollinger has Mavs at 15th
    http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

    Sagarin has Mavs at 12th
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nba0910.htm


    Anyone know why?

    edit:
    One more rating here, Mavs 15th
    http://sites.google.com/site/compute...etball/ratings

  2. #2
    Murdering Prostitutes Findog's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Post Count
    21,565
    point differential. Mavs don't have an impressive one.

  3. #3
    Unofficial First Team ST D-Wade #3's Avatar
    My Team
    Miami Heat
    Post Count
    832
    It doesn't like chokers

  4. #4
    Veteran noob cake's Avatar
    My Team
    Houston Rockets
    Post Count
    2,065
    point differential. Mavs don't have an impressive one.
    3rd best record in the NBA, 12+ on all three rankings.....

  5. #5
    Veteran
    My Team
    Boston Celtics
    Post Count
    4,675
    3rd best record in the NBA, 12+ on all three rankings.....
    "Point differential". How hard is this to understand? Not W/L record; "point differential".

  6. #6
    Big like a pickle. Shank's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Post Count
    6,035
    The game is measured in wins and losses, is it not?

  7. #7
    Veteran
    My Team
    Boston Celtics
    Post Count
    4,675
    The game is measured in wins and losses, is it not?
    So?

  8. #8
    Veteran noob cake's Avatar
    My Team
    Houston Rockets
    Post Count
    2,065
    "Point differential". How hard is this to understand? Not W/L record; "point differential".
    I understand, you dumb s.

    Point differential does not make up 99% of any ranking. offensive or defensive efficiency probably has something to do with this.

  9. #9
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    14,367
    3rd best record in the NBA, 12+ on all three rankings.....
    You ask why, are given the answer, and then argue with answer?

    Those computer rankings give great weight to point differential. Dallas has a point differential consistent with a middle of the pack team, so those computer rankings place Dallas in the middle of the pack. It's that simple.

    That doesn't make Dallas a middle of the pack team, just that the results of their games produce a certain outcome from the computer ratings you referenced.

  10. #10
    Veteran
    My Team
    Boston Celtics
    Post Count
    4,675
    I understand, you dumb s.
    Didn't look that way. He said "point differential" and you answered by mentioned the W/L record.

    Point differential does not make up 99% of any ranking. offensive or defensive efficiency probably has something to do with this.
    You're clueless. The gap between Off. and def. efficiency is exactly the point differential (adjusted to the pace).

  11. #11
    Believe. Juanobili's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    1,761
    It doesn't like chokers

  12. #12
    hasta la victoria, siempre cheguevara's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    9,763
    Computer's also don't like gonorrhea

  13. #13
    I own Allanon mavs>spurs2's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Post Count
    8,980
    who really gives a damn? the playoffs will come down to wins and losses, not some ty computerized formula. obviously the mavs have been coasting all year, we're old as afterall.

    last night was the beginning of crunch time if we want that 2 seed, and you saw how we demolished a decent grizzlies squad that has given us problems in the past.

  14. #14
    The Good Doctor Rummpd's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    11,259
    The computers are smart - Mavs are the Sac Kings of the 2000s talented but still missing something vital every year

  15. #15
    Scrumtrulescent
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    9,724
    I beleive the computer rankings put more weight on the recent games than they do on the early games. Dallas hasn't exactly been playing all that great recently, plus their schedule has been relatively soft. Looking at the mavs schedule, it looks like they've only beaten one playoff team since february. I'd think the computers notice that as well.

  16. #16
    Murdering Prostitutes Findog's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Post Count
    21,565
    I beleive the computer rankings put more weight on the recent games than they do on the early games. Dallas hasn't exactly been playing all that great recently, plus their schedule has been relatively soft. Looking at the mavs schedule, it looks like they've only beaten one playoff team since february. I'd think the computers notice that as well.
    How hard did you look?

    Since the trade, they've beaten the Lakers, Magic, Hawks, Bobcats, Suns, Heat and Nuggets.

  17. #17
    Scrumtrulescent
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    9,724
    How hard did you look?

    Since the trade, they've beaten the Lakers, Magic, Hawks, Bobcats, Suns, Heat and Nuggets.
    Lakers, magic, hawks, suns and heat were all in february. I was only looking at March and April, i.e. "since February". I probably should have just said "march and april", so apologies for the confusion. I did miss the Bobcats, so there's them and the nuggets.

  18. #18
    NB:lol Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_ Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fa kers_ 21_Blessings's Avatar
    My Team
    Los Angeles Lakers
    Post Count
    6,765
    Why do the Mavericks like sucking pantomime in the playoffs?

  19. #19
    In Dirk We Trust sribb43's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Post Count
    6,849
    Mavs will fail in the playoffs because there defense is garbage and they only play hard for 1 quarter per game

  20. #20
    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    41,715
    I understand, you dumb s.

    Point differential does not make up 99% of any ranking. offensive or defensive efficiency probably has something to do with this.
    Since you don't seem to want to accept the answer to your question, go look up stats from previous years, and you'll find that point differential is the best stat for predicting which team is going to be the best. The Mavs have been very clutch this year, which has resulted in a high percentage of close wins, but statistically it doesn't carry much weight.

  21. #21
    Big like a pickle. Shank's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Post Count
    6,035
    So what does it matter if someone runs numbers through a formula and thinks they're the 15th best team in the league? Wins and losses say they're hovering around being the 2nd best in the West right now. Point differential or not, wins are wins.

  22. #22
    Veteran
    My Team
    Boston Celtics
    Post Count
    4,675
    So what does it matter if someone runs numbers through a formula and thinks they're the 15th best team in the league? Wins and losses say they're hovering around being the 2nd best in the West right now. Point differential or not, wins are wins.
    Yeps. Wins are wins, point differential is point differential and reg. season point differential is a better predictor of playoffs success in the NBA than reg. season wins. It's not "running through a formula", it's like NBA history, scores you can check in the records.

    What's so difficult to understand about this? For my money, I have no idea why there's such a confusion about this issue.

  23. #23
    Murdering Prostitutes Findog's Avatar
    My Team
    Dallas Mavericks
    Post Count
    21,565
    The Komputors sure do love them Spurs. Here's what winning teams are doing against other +.500 teams. I figured what playoff teams do against the Knicks and Nets is irrelevant, so here it is:

    LA Lakers: 27-19 (+1.3 PD/.586), 16-6 Home (+6.22 PD/.727), 11-13 Road (-3.2 PD/.458). 9.42 points better at home than on the road.

    Utah Jazz: 26-21 (+1.25 PD/.553), 18-5 Home (+7.86 PD/.782), 8-16 Road (-3.66 PD/.333), 11.52 points better at home than on the road.

    Dallas Mavericks: 26-19 (+.24 PD/.577), 14-9 Home (+1.82 PD/.608), 12-10 Road (-1.4 PD/.545), 3.22 points better at home than on the road.

    San Antonio Spurs: 21-23 (+1.54 PD/.477), 12-9 Home (+4.38 PD/.571), 9-14 Road (-1.04 PD/.391), 5.42 points better at home than on the road.

  24. #24
    retired
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    304
    How hard did you look?

    Since the trade, they've beaten the Lakers, Magic, Hawks, Bobcats, Suns, Heat and Nuggets.
    still you can only get a negative answer when the question comes to a series in playoffs. Maybe a series against the Suns will be one battle the Mavs have a chance in, but there's no way the Mavs can surmount the likes of Thunder and Blazers both of whom dominated the Mavs harshly in regular season meetings not to mention Lakers and Nuggets.

  25. #25
    retired
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Post Count
    304
    Mavs will fail in the playoffs because there defense is garbage and they only play hard for 1 quarter per game

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •