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    The problem with calling out Benefactor on that thread is that he contradicted himself so much that he can always go back and quote himself to support any argument to the contrary. I want to like the guy, but he keeps proving himself to be a condescending, self-aggrandizing jackass. Plus, I think he is a closet Mavs fan.

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    You could have called him out in his own thread, but what's the point in that?
    I've done it tons of times. Check my record. We have gone back and forth for pages.


    Interesting. Your tone reeks of jealousy. Is there something going on in your life where you are not getting enough affirmation? People not taking your ideas seriously?
    I see how you might think that, but its actually more of a driving need to root out untruths and exposing bias. Timvp's opinions become the opinion of this board to a large degree, and they are fatally flawed/skewed, as they come through the eyes of a fan who could care less as long as parker shines (IMO). In Timvp's eyes, the only way we can win is with parker at point.

    Ive seen players come and go, and we still win championships; i know better. Dont get me wrong, parker can be a huge offensive weapon, but he cannot make those around him better and that is what we need. Timvp's en led to his take, Parker-bias and all, but the unadulterated truth (Parker as the initiator has run its course for our team) deserves its own thread like it or not. Not competing with the "parker is hurt" or the "parker is an allstar" or the "parker can do no wrong" comments...

    I dont even have to be taken seriously (though like minded posters inevitably will), its simply a matter of getting the truth out there (parker is an all star, but for us he needs to be a SG). It will set us all free.

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    The problem with calling out Benefactor on that thread is that he contradicted himself so much that he can always go back and quote himself to support any argument to the contrary. I want to like the guy, but he keeps proving himself to be a condescending, self-aggrandizing jackass. Plus, I think he is a closet Mavs fan.
    Quotes to contradictions? I'm flattered that you follow me so closely.
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    I've done it tons of times. Check my record. We have gone back and forth for pages.
    Good for you. I guess that approach just wasn't getting you the attention you needed. Looks like I'm right after all.
    I see how you might think that, but its actually more of a driving need to root out untruths and exposing bias. Timvp's opinions become the opinion of this board to a large degree, and they are fatally flawed/skewed, as they come through the eyes of a fan who could care less as long as parker shines (IMO). In Timvp's eyes, the only way we can win is with parker at point.
    The old X-Files argument. One of my favorites.
    Ive seen players come and go, and we still win championships; i know better. Dont get me wrong, parker can be a huge offensive weapon, but he cannot make those around him better and that is what we need. Timvp's en led to his take, Parker-bias and all, but the unadulterated truth (Parker as the initiator has run its course for our team) deserves its own thread like it or not. Not competing with the "parker is hurt" or the "parker is an allstar" or the "parker can do no wrong" comments...
    It probably didn't, but whatever makes you feel important.
    I dont even have to be taken seriously (though like minded posters inevitably will), its simply a matter of getting the truth out there (parker is an all star, but for us he needs to be a SG). It will set us all free.
    And we will be free indeed.

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    Quotes to contradictions? I'm flattered that you follow me so closely.
    You should be flattered. I am awesome and never wrong and if I am I would never admit it.

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    Benefactor your mind is made up... Think what you will. But I havent written anything here today that wasnt sincere.

    And as for attention, I've been posting here for a couple of years now...now look over to the left at my post count. Does that look like the post count of an attention to you? Now me.

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    Apparently we are arguing the same point and yet misunderstanding each other.
    My point is that people shouldn't worry about other people's motivations for rooting for a team. If some dumbass comes in and says that people are bad fans for X reason, then they're opening the door for anyone to suggest that they're a bad fan for Y or Z reason. Since the vast majority of "you guys are bad fans" thread starters lately have a relatively small number of posts, it seems like postcount is the best way to show them how stupid they look.

    If someone wants to completely avoid the Spurs during the regular season and then root like for them during the playoffs, why should anyone have a problem with that?

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    Well, it sucks because he got exactly what he wanted attention for his whoring (yes I am culpable too), luckily he didn't get all that he wanted (five pages of )

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    Well, it sucks because he got exactly what he wanted attention for his whoring (yes I am culpable too), luckily he didn't get all that he wanted (five pages of )
    Yeah...I don't know why he kept asking me to do it. He must have an insatiable appe e.

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    I thought it was Ginobili that got us back on track? Maybe I was wrong

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    Well, it sucks because he got exactly what he wanted attention for his whoring (yes I am culpable too), luckily he didn't get all that he wanted (five pages of )
    Yeah...I don't know why he kept asking me to do it. He must have an insatiable appe e.

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    Stats Lie...the Well is Dry.


    If you let this thread die ...

    I'll provide an alibi.

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    I hate to tell you this, but your sisters are going to be very dysfuctional adults. How long did you suck the udder?

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    It was a good post. Lots of good points. I think he's done a good job defending his POV.

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    I hate to tell you this, but your sisters are going to be very dysfuctional adults. How long did you suck the udder?
    I still enjoy the occasional suckle That vid came up on the youtube menu after yours...I thought it was much more entertaining than either of us...as for my original vid I just wanted to share. You smarting?

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    Small increase, but that may speak volumes when it is your ALL-STAR POINT GUARD that is out. Logic would say a major drop here...
    A 0.4 difference isn't anything at all..

    It doesn't mean anything..

    The Spurs aren't moving the ball more..the difference is that Manu is controlling the ball more and he's playing at an extremely high level..Ginobili's usage % during this stretch has been much higher than Parker's usage % has been all year..it's not a bad thing at all, but the ball movement hasn't changed, as the 0.4 shows..

    Plus ball movement helps get the defense out of position and create lanes to attack just as easily as it creates easy shot opportunities. How many times have we seen the ball swing around the court and then find George or RJ or Manu with a lane to the bucket, but no assist since they drove to the hole? Just sayin.
    OK, but you have no proof that there has been a change in ball movement, it's just perception..nothing backs it up..

    And also, George Hill adds another three point shooter at the point, so this doesnt account for having more shooters on the court with Tony out. Duh.
    It doesn't matter..your point is that the Spurs rely on the 3-ball more when Tony Parker is in the lineup, this is clearly not true..I've already proven you wrong..

    There's nothing wrong with taking 3-pointers if they're open shots, and the Spurs usually do get open looks..

    Huge difference here...Manu is constantly pushing...TP waits for TD to get set, while letting the D get set as well. Watch with your eyes, not numbers.
    Link?..


    We are older, and less imposing. Our young studs have yet to be able to take over, and our stars, outside of Manu, can't force the outcome either. We clearly have not been unstoppable in any facet, so I think our gameplan needs to adjust accordingly, from the one that won us championships to one that gets everyone involved.
    The Spurs are one of the top teams in the NBA at moving the ball..the APG number is high despite the pace, the assisted %s number is high for the Spurs, the A/T ratio is high for the Spurs..

    The ball movement is great on this team..

    WRONG. RJ was uninvolved for the vast majority of the season. PG dictates who gets the ball and where. Moreover, we now see that when RJ gets involved he can at least produce intangibles. So IMO, TP should have gotten him more touches early on. And the system that Pop used, the one that turns everyone who is not TP or TD into bystander, is the real culprit here. TP can get guys comfortable in the game. He didn't really do that with RJ. Right or wrong, the two are tied, and RJ is producing for us even if his points are not there.
    Jefferson's usage % was 16 earlier in the first few months of the season..I complained about that and I said he should get more touches..he did, his usage% went up to about 18, and he still wasn't producing..he was settling for jump shots more often and he wasn't making shots in general..the stats back this up..

    His usage% is about the same right now, and his assisted% is only 1 or 2% higher than it was when Parker went out of the lineup..

    The argument isn't whether it's better to play with Manu or Tony..I'm sure Manu is more fun and easier to play with..it doesn't matter though, Parker had little to do with RJ's struggles, and it's just a cop out IMO.. , Tony returned to the lineup and RJ still produced in these last 2 games..particularly in the game vs. Phoenix, where RJ received the ball and attacked the rim, getting multiple AND1 opportunities..

    There's nothing that backs up the notion that Parker was the reason RJ struggled, nothing at all..


    How can you even say some stupid like this? We DIDNT EVEN PLAY DEFENSE THIS YEAR UNTIL PARKER HIT THE PINE. Numbers or not. Our team had its head so far up its ass on defense, most spurs fans couldnt bear to watch.
    The Spurs defense is 2 points better with Parker on the floor..

    If I'm going to do what you do and just talk without any proof, I'll tell you what most Spurs fans here noticed, which was George Hill getting torched on a nightly basis for most of the 16-game stretch without Parker..

    Let Manu do his thing. al this conservation. Your numbers lie.
    Numbers don't lie in this case..


    The only argument against Parker is that bringing him back will take touches away from Manu..that's not really what the OP is arguing though..I'm fine with Parker coming off the bench, I think he should..on the opposite side of the argument, you can say that Manu might wear down from having so much load, so having Parker back helps..

    As for the argument that Parker's presence actually hurts the team, nothing backs that up, as I've shown..

    The OP's post wasn't good, I don't know why some people think he made some good points..he didn't back anything up, he just spoke out of his ass..I could listen to it if he backed it up, but he didn't..

    I could listen to it if his argument was simply that Parker takes away touches from Manu, so technically he could hurt the Spurs in that way, but that's not what he was saying either..

    He's preaching about ball movement, but I've proven that nothing has changed significantly..the difference is that Manu is playing at an extremely high level..there's actually been more ball dominance in this stretch, like Parker dominated the ball last year..nobody complained about Parker doing it last year because he had to, just like nobody is complaining about Manu doing it this year, because we need him..

    Spurs have improved because Manu is playing amazing, the D has improved(not because Parker is out, the Spurs D has played better with him in the lineup, as the stats show) and RJ is playing aggressively..

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    A 0.4 difference isn't anything at all..

    It doesn't mean anything..

    The Spurs aren't moving the ball more..the difference is that Manu is controlling the ball more and he's playing at an extremely high level..Ginobili's usage % during this stretch has been much higher than Parker's usage % has been all year..it's not a bad thing at all, but the ball movement hasn't changed, as the 0.4 shows..



    OK, but you have no proof that there has been a change in ball movement, it's just perception..nothing backs it up..



    It doesn't matter..your point is that the Spurs rely on the 3-ball more when Tony Parker is in the lineup, this is clearly not true..I've already proven you wrong..

    There's nothing wrong with taking 3-pointers if they're open shots, and the Spurs usually do get open looks..



    Link?..




    The Spurs are one of the top teams in the NBA at moving the ball..the APG number is high despite the pace, the assisted %s number is high for the Spurs, the A/T ratio is high for the Spurs..

    The ball movement is great on this team..



    Jefferson's usage % was 16 earlier in the first few months of the season..I complained about that and I said he should get more touches..he did, his usage% went up to about 18, and he still wasn't producing..he was settling for jump shots more often and he wasn't making shots in general..the stats back this up..

    His usage% is about the same right now, and his assisted% is only 1 or 2% higher than it was when Parker went out of the lineup..

    The argument isn't whether it's better to play with Manu or Tony..I'm sure Manu is more fun and easier to play with..it doesn't matter though, Parker had little to do with RJ's struggles, and it's just a cop out IMO.. , Tony returned to the lineup and RJ still produced in these last 2 games..particularly in the game vs. Phoenix, where RJ received the ball and attacked the rim, getting multiple AND1 opportunities..

    There's nothing that backs up the notion that Parker was the reason RJ struggled, nothing at all..




    The Spurs defense is 2 points better with Parker on the floor..

    If I'm going to do what you do and just talk without any proof, I'll tell you what most Spurs fans here noticed, which was George Hill getting torched on a nightly basis for most of the 16-game stretch without Parker..



    Numbers don't lie in this case..


    The only argument against Parker is that bringing him back will take touches away from Manu..that's not really what the OP is arguing though..I'm fine with Parker coming off the bench, I think he should..on the opposite side of the argument, you can say that Manu might wear down from having so much load, so having Parker back helps..

    As for the argument that Parker's presence actually hurts the team, nothing backs that up, as I've shown..

    The OP's post wasn't good, I don't know why some people think he made some good points..he didn't back anything up, he just spoke out of his ass..I could listen to it if he backed it up, but he didn't..

    I could listen to it if his argument was simply that Parker takes away touches from Manu, so technically he could hurt the Spurs in that way, but that's not what he was saying either..

    He's preaching about ball movement, but I've proven that nothing has changed significantly..the difference is that Manu is playing at an extremely high level..there's actually been more ball dominance in this stretch, like Parker dominated the ball last year..nobody complained about Parker doing it last year because he had to, just like nobody is complaining about Manu doing it this year, because we need him..

    Spurs have improved because Manu is playing amazing, the D has improved(not because Parker is out, the Spurs D has played better with him in the lineup, as the stats show) and RJ is playing aggressively..
    Solid take. This post should make a "Best of" collection...seriously. I dont agree, but its gonna take some work to show your wrong. Please tell me where the best sites are to get sortable stats?...82 games sucks. Then I will tear you a new one, while simultaneously showing you that stats can be used to support damn near anything.

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