UFC 112: Invincible April 10, 2010

[Stringer_Bell]

Can anyone explain the Penn Edgar fight a little. Where I'm at the internet connection is so can I get a 10 peso version of how Edgar won real quick

Hmm, I'll give it a try

BJ came out calm and collected as ever, Edgar was bouncing around like a bunny. Edgar would move in and out, keeping his head bobbing unpredictably and eventually that led BJ to chase him which limited his ability to do what he does best...counter. Edgar got TWO takedowns during the fight, and one of them was VERY clean and was a shock to me. Before the 4th round started, I think the BJ's corner told him to take Edgar to the ground. BJ ignored them and kept it standing even though he looked gassed a bit in between rounds. In truth, he probably was gassed which is why he didn't want to work hard for a take down when Edgar was still bouncing like a bunny in the 4th round.

Basically, BJ looked worse as the fight went on and Edgar looked better. I still feel like something was wrong with BJ pre-fight because with all the Dynamic Integration training and experience he has...he just didn't look "right." Still, credit to Edgar for doing what most of us thought was impossible.

I'm not interested in Silva any more unless he fights Jon Jones. I don't want to see GSP embarassed, not saying it would happen but I don't even like the thought of it. GSP would basically be the greatest of all time if he could nuetalize Silva. After Silva it'd have to be GSP vs Lesnar

[dallaskd]

I saw Edgar winning but i thought the score cards were rediculous. Penn won the first two 10-9. Hughes looked good. Wouldnt mind seeing him fight Anthony Johnson. Silva is the best P4P in the world regardless of the talk. I liked his display. He could have ended it in the second or third. Kinda confused why he didnt move in. He will run over GSP. Cant see St. Pierre mounting any type of offense outside of beating him up on the ground which will be really hard to do. The size advantage huge. Silva ran through much bigger, stonger athletes like Nate, Rich, Hendo. GSP does not bring not anymore of a threat then they did. He is more skilled but in terms of size and the ability to hurt Anderson, if they could do it.. gsp isnt do to silva.. didnt watch any of the other fights.. let me know how they were..

[dbreiden83080]

I don't even think that Silva and GSP is happening. Seemed like if he fought well it was going to happen but now not so much. All i will say is if it were to happen at 170 that is a different ball-game. Silva is 35, has been fighting at much higher weight for years. That is one tough weight cut.. 185 is Silva all day, 170 maybe GSP can pull it off.

Either way Silva made a fool of himself with his antics. Dana is so pissed at him if he was not champ he'd be getting cut..

[dbreiden83080]

I liked his display..

You enjoyed watching Silva spend about 15 min yelling at Maia instead of fighting??

Maia went after him in round 5 and swung hard (out of his comfort zone) because Silva was acting like such an ass-hole.. Maia told off Ed Soares in between rounds.. Dana threw the belt at Ed Soares and said "You put it on him i am outta here" The crowd was chanting GSP at one point and Mai all of round 5...

That is how disgraceful Silva's "Display" was..

[The TroutBum]

I'd strip his belt. What a butt .

In other news, nobody has PM'd me a link to watch this . Is it because I'm a , or because nobody has a link?

[dbreiden83080]

I'd strip his belt. What a butt .

In other news, nobody has PM'd me a link to watch this . Is it because I'm a , or because nobody has a link?

I got ya..

[The TroutBum]

I got ya..

[dallaskd]

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[dbreiden83080]

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[Blackjack]

I'm not interested in Silva any more unless he fights Jon Jones. I don't want to see GSP embarassed, not saying it would happen but I don't even like the thought of it. GSP would basically be the greatest of all time if he could nuetalize Silva. After Silva it'd have to be GSP vs Lesnar

Silva - Jones; I'd dig that.

The point I was making about Silva fighting GSP, was about the approach. If Spider's fighting someone of GSP's caliber, you're going to see his best. Do I think GSP would really have a shot at anywhere but 170? No, not really. But there's not too many people out there that I believe do that have a name for the marquee.

Essentially, it seems Silva's reign is going to end at the hands of a Buster Douglas or when he has a significant deterioration in his skills; perhaps whatever comes first. He'll either overlook a fighter and/or not give him the proper respect, or he'll reach back one day to do what he's done so many times before and come up empty (passed his prime and vulnerable).

I don't know what is says about me that I tend to root for the mercurial talents (whether it be a Toney, Penn or Silva) but I just appreciate the truly gifted athletes; people that have something that even the greatest work-ethic can't bring. Because when you finally see one of those people apply themselves the right way and put the time in for their craft, that's greatness; and it's what I'm always hoping to see.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Silva is such a . his sorry ass.

Silva doesn't deserve to fight GSP. GSP deserves better. Silva would probably just run around in the ring like a little girl for every round.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I understand the frustration having just sold a stake in the business and opening up a new market, but you can't cut the nose to spite the face.

Silva needs to be pushed. Period. And like the antics or not, he's the best there is IMO. So if you want to get the most out of him and put on the best show for all involved, you make that GSP fight; someone's got to put him in his place or provide the challenge that makes Silva display the type of talent he has.

As a Silva fan, I'm not real thrilled with what I've heard (haven't been able to see it yet) but I'm not all that surprised either; we've seen the general apathy and antics before. But I'm a fan because of his talent and ability and want to see it on display.

And if White and the UFC knows what's good for them ... they'll do the right thing: Silva vs. GSP

that. Put him in the ring with Carwin or Brock and let them pound his ass and show him some humility.

[polandprzem]

that. Put him in the ring with Carwin or Brock and let them pound his ass and show him some humility.

That's what I said



Where is oligarchy?

[polandprzem]

haha at the end of R3 Anderson was trying to hide behing miragliotta. Miragliotta to that point was frustrated as well, he pushed Silva away. Hilarious - I just rewatched it.


core - I had no problems

[polandprzem]

How disrespectful is to swear on guy during the fight?

Check out ufc.com

I think jurnalists had great questions, and Demian Maia eye looks ... wow it does not even looks

[polandprzem]

Hey, how fair is to punish grapplers and stand up the fight and even shout "more action guys" and not even say a word to a guy who is avoiding the fight and being on the outside?


machida vs Silva fight wouyld probably end with 3-2 in punchaes landed

[dbreiden83080]

UFC 112: What We Learned


UFC 112 was supposed to be a game-changing show for the UFC. Setting up shop in the consumerist utopia known as Abu Dhabi was supposed to be a moneymaking match made in heaven for the UFC. Putting together a card headlined by two of the sport’s premier pound-for-pound luminaries was supposed to be the ultimate insurance policy against disaster.

It turns out the phrase “supposed to be” carries about as much weight as “I’ll pay you back tomorrow, I promise!” By the time this piece reaches your monitor, we’ll be barely a day removed from the disaster that was UFC 112, and the populist outrage currently defining this event is bound to have hit critical mass several times over by then.

Between the enigma known as Anderson Silva making a mockery of his chosen profession and B.J. Penn falling victim to one of the worst examples in fistic history of big fight judging, the ultimate insurance policy turned out to be about as useful as a sixth toe. Throw in local favorite Renzo Gracie sleepwalking through his fight with elder statesman Matt Hughes and all three of the bouts driving the UFC’s push into uncharted territory turned out to be nothing short of an embarrassment.

The good news is that the UFC has done a good job of learning from failure in the past -- even while denying the failure’s existence -- and the company just witnessed a master’s course in uncut, unadulterated failure. Here is the cheat sheet for what every MMA fan better hope the UFC learns from a night that will live in infamy for them and anyone unfortunate enough to have plunked down 50 beans for this entertainment vortex.

Only the PGA Needs a Seniors Tour

Matt Hughes once dominated
the UFC's 170-pound division.Truly great fighters who have put in their fair share of pain and passion deserve a chance to say goodbye in a manner befitting their greatness. That sounds like a quaint notion, but the fact is that being a professional athlete is a rough gig and you’re only owed what your wits and fists can get you. Case in point is Matt Hughes, who would get eaten alive in the current UFC welterweight division, yet his faithful service to the UFC has him cashing checks for pointless fights no one wants to see.

It’s one thing to give Hughes a going-away fight, but he still has multiple fights left on his contract and there isn’t a chance he’ll be thrown to any of the division’s new guard. Meanwhile, on the same night, quality young welterweights Rick Story and Nick Osipczak were left to battle it out on the preliminary card in a bout of far greater significance than any Hughes will soon find himself in.

That is the real crime here: exciting prospects cannibalizing each other’s hype on the preliminary card just to hold out hope of someday making a pay-per-view show.

This isn’t about whether or not Hughes deserves a few dozen victory laps; it’s about whether or not his going-away tour is worth missing out on fights that are actually worth watching. Given the commitments the UFC has to faded stars like Hughes, Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, o Ortiz and the like, it’s hard to envision a scenario where fans won’t end up having to sit through one victory lap too many.

It’s the Judging, Stupid

The judging of the lightweight le bout between former in bent B.J. Penn and Frankie Edgar confirmed the worst fears of every fan paying close attention to the judging trends in MMA -- that it was a matter of time before substandard judging ruined a le bout. Bad judging decisions have become a fact of life in MMA, and nearly every UFC card has at least one judge striving to put together the most nonsensical approach to scoring possible.

The fact that all three judges scored the bout for Edgar was bad enough, but two of them saw it as a lopsided bout. A supposedly lopsided bout that Penn clearly won, at absolute worst, three rounds of by any objective measure. Full credit is due to Edgar for surviving a difficult first two rounds and occasionally landing some clean punches on Penn as the bout dragged on, but he simply did not deserve to win a judges’ decision.

Penn certainly fought a foolish fight by never testing Edgar’s ground game and generally presenting a stationary target for his hyperactive foe -- mistakes that made this fight more compe ive than expected and paved the way for the judges to ruin his night. However, it doesn’t change the fact that Penn landed the cleaner punches while Edgar mostly bobbed around and whiffed on combinations. Plenty of ink and kilobytes have been wasted on the need for judging reform in MMA, but until it actually happens, every fight that heads to a decision will be an embarrassment in the making for all parties involved.


Deal with Anderson Silva

What was Anderson Silva thinking?At the height of his brilliance, the preternaturally gifted pugilist Roy Jones Jr. was equal parts infuriating and spellbinding. Often content to prove his dominance by taunting and picking at frustrated opponents instead of displaying the once-in-a-generation combination of power and speed that his fans waited for with baited breath, Jones Jr. certainly didn’t make it easy for anyone to like him. UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva seems -bent on walking the same line.

Right next to masterful deconstructions of former champions such as Rich Franklin and Forrest Griffin are not only uninspired but downright bizarre performances against Thales Leites and Patrick Cote that don’t even begin to cover the insanity that was Silva’s bout with Demian Maia at UFC 112. Trying to understand the mentality of a fistic genius like Silva is pointless. It’s best to make peace with the fact he’ll always be unreliable at best and downright infuriating at worst.


Making him the headliner of a massively important show is simply courting disaster, especially when you match him against a fighter capable of exploiting him in the one area he has appeared vulnerable in. There isn’t much else to say except that Silva’s in-cage schizophrenia will always be a liability and should be carefully considered against his ability to deliver a ballet of violence. In other words, be very careful about making him your star employee.

Go Big? Maybe Just Go Home

Turning the UFC into a global brand is an admirable goal, but one that comes rife with difficulties, as evidenced by the UFC’s recent ban from German television. We’re still talking about a sport struggling to get sanctioned in New York, yet Dana White seems especially obsessed with planting the UFC flag in every corner of the world. Given White’s honest reaction to what happened at UFC 112, it’s obvious that reality is making a rude intrusion into his rosy plans.

While the UFC isn’t going to fall apart tomorrow and Strikeforce is still run far too ineptly to present a legitimate threat to its dominance, maybe it’s time the UFC as a whole reconsider what they’re doing. There are only so many markets in the world with the large upper middle class it takes to sustain a UFC event, and while Abu Dhabi is theoretically a good match, it didn’t take long for the UFC’s new revenue stream to turn on the product.

The sport of MMA is entrenched throughout Western Europe thanks to a long history of fight sport and an ever-expanding network of quality gyms that made the UFC’s transition into that market a slam dunk. Contrast that with Abu Dhabi, which is basically a hedonistic getaway for the super-rich, and it’s obvious that the UFC is dealing with a customer base they’re not terribly familiar with. All accounts say that UFC 112 was a financial success, but the more important question is whether that success can be replicated on a consistent basis. Something tells me the army of frustrated lay fans who packed the Ferrari World Concert Arena isn’t counting down the days to the UFC’s return.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...-Learned-23783

I only really take issue with the Penn decision take. I saw it just once, have to see it again but there were at least 3 close rounds there and Penn easily got beat in round 5. Whining about a decision like that is a bit much. Like i said earlier 50-45 no way, but 48-47 is not crazy for Frankie..

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The judging of the lightweight le bout between former in bent B.J. Penn and Frankie Edgar confirmed the worst fears of every fan paying close attention to the judging trends in MMA -- that it was a matter of time before substandard judging ruined a le bout. Bad judging decisions have become a fact of life in MMA, and nearly every UFC card has at least one judge striving to put together the most nonsensical approach to scoring possible.

The fact that all three judges scored the bout for Edgar was bad enough, but two of them saw it as a lopsided bout. A supposedly lopsided bout that Penn clearly won, at absolute worst, three rounds of by any objective measure. Full credit is due to Edgar for surviving a difficult first two rounds and occasionally landing some clean punches on Penn as the bout dragged on, but he simply did not deserve to win a judges’ decision.

That sounds like the author is a Penn homer.

Edgar clearly won the last three rounds. The first two were such tossups you can't really blame the refs for giving one or both to Edgar. The only round I thought Penn even had much of an argument about was the first.

At the end of the fight Edgar had a scratch or two. BJ's face was beat in. There was plenty to whine about last night, largely because of the Silva fight. Trying to call the scoring in Penn-Edgar substandard just sounds like someone with a crush on BJ got butthurt.

[dbreiden83080]

I just rewatched Penn/Edgar

Penn easily gets first 2 rounds with better counter-punching. But Frankie picked it up big time mid-way through round 3 and outworked him for the most part. Got a takedown and just threw more punches. His movement and chasing Frankie down frustrated BJ by round 5. End of Round 4 BJ again was gassed. Yet another big fight where BJ gassed. We've heard it for years and he seemed to have it fixed but no he didn't. That gas tank was on empty with about 2 min to go in round 5. Could have went 48-47 either way but whining about it like Penn got robbed.


That's just moronic Sherdog...

[The TroutBum]

FINALLY got to watch the fight -- thanks dbreiden -- and I have a few thoughts:

Props to Maia. I would have walked out of that fight. I wouldn't stand for that kind of disrespect. Way to at least get a few shots in during the final round. There was a glimmer of hope for all of us after you hit him a few times. You're still awesome, and now are one of my favorite fighters.

Props to Dan Mirgliatta for the warnings, although they were a little bit too late. Did you all notice that after he raised Silva's hand he dropped it and turned his back on him? I never see that, ever. I think Dan was just as disgusted as the rest of the world.

Silva: You. You're a disgrace. I hope you die in a plane crash or something, you rat fink bas .

[dbreiden83080]

Yo Trout that Avvy is hilarious.

I saw No Holds Barred on youtube the other day..

[Behrooz24]

[dbreiden83080]

Silva is the only guy on earth that knows why he does this. And with these guys that play like they No speaka da english, we never really get to know them..

[Stringer_Bell]

Yo Trout that Avvy is hilarious.

I saw No Holds Barred on youtube the other day..

Silva vs Zues! Dookie!!!!!!!

[CubanSucks]

Just watched the Silva fight and I took 2 things from it. First, I'm now a Maia fan. The dude who's known for grappling was swinging for the fences towards the end and that was awesome to watch. Second, it's amazing how much Dana White is sticking up for the fans during all this. Of course the president of a league or corporation is gonna say something after an embarrasment like this, but I really feel like he cares about the fans and giving them their moneys worth.