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"Clutch" is ridiculous magical thinking that cannot be shown to exist. There are chokers, and there are non-chokers.
Does that really make you clutch?
Is that the bare bones minimum for what it takes? Thats an average of once every 5 years.
How is clutch defined - do you include defensive plays as well? What about shots missed during that time. Do those things factor in as well?
At some point do the positives become a fluke? When the negatives are much, much more common?
"Clutch" is ridiculous magical thinking that cannot be shown to exist. There are chokers, and there are non-chokers.
Define "choker".
You should be sucking Fisher's for what he has done for the Lakers. The man has saved Komette's ass multiple times with his clutch play in the playoffs. He has done enough for LAL; he can do whatever he wants now.
^^^why this thread exists.
"Saved Komette's ass multiple times". LMAO you don't even think about what you're saying, you just spew it.
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Fisher continues to be unappreciated by the Lakers fanbase..there's a reason Kobe and Phil Jackson respect him so much..
Is there a worse starting PG in the league than Fisher right now?
Still no response to original question, or actual real justification other than "LOL Kome needs Fish".
This was as predictable as Fisher fouling someone with 1 second left.
I posted numbers in that thread..
It seems that Kobe is more comfortable with Fisher on the floor for whatever reason..he obviously trusts him in all situations, as does Phil Jackson..comfort is a pretty big part of playing a team sport..
Obviously that's the reason he plays..who are they going to trust instead?..Farmar? Brown..those are 2 players that have some of the lowest basketball IQ in the NBA..
Fisher is a great leader that provides intangibles and toughness.. , even the "accidental" moves he does help the Lakers..injuring George Hill, a potential Lakers opponent, you can't teach that..
Fisher was a year away from leading the Jazz to the Finals... He left, the team's spirit left with him. Boozer is not a leader, and Deron wasn't ready yet to be the emotional leader of a team.
Fisher is old and a subpar PG but he's the guy that always rescucitates the Laker team when they're damn near dead. When the Lakers need that one big shot to keep their hopes alive Fisher will usually deliver.
The only part of this post that has any truth to it is that Kobe and Phil trust him. A fact that is no small part due to knowing and being friends with him for 13 years.
The rest you either made up or in absolutely no way answers the question I posed in the OP.
Thanks for playing.
And yet outside of .4 and game 4, you can't name any. You didnt even try to.
And he's played for the Lakers for a decade.
Is that really all it takes? What about all the clutch misses and defensive blunders? Those don't matter at all, huh.
at OP blasting people for their responses when he in fact provided nothing of substance.
All I did was ask a question. One you predictably haven't even attempted to answer.
How predictable that I use a smiley to make fun of you and you copy me.
Dude saying there are "chokers and non-chokers" is just like saying players are clutch or non-clutch. You're just using different words.
2 responses, 2 ad hominem posts neither refuting, supporting, or even making a point relevant to the thread.
Vintage DPG.
What is your take?
I feel that I shouldn't even have to name any. I'm not the Laker fan
Every Laker player has made plays that put us in a position for Kobe to win the game. Does that make every Laker player clutch, when they've made equal amounts of mistakes, if not more?I feel that I shouldn't even have to name any. I'm not the Laker fan
I can think of at least that many times this year alone that Fisher has either fouled someone at the end, missed a game winning shot, missed a shot that would have put us in a position to win (a la your example) or made a horrible end of game decision that cost us the game. And more in the playoffs. Why does that not matter?
Once every 5 years is enough? He's been "bailing Kobe out"? Really?
Just today, Fisher made the ft that tied the game at 88 with a few seconds left. Putting us in a "position to win", so to speak.
Did Derek Fisher have a clutch game today?
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Fisher is going to FALL OFF CLIFF this playoffs.
That his clutchness is extremely overrated, as is evidenced in no small part by the responses in this thread.
2 shots in 10 years. And we have people saying he has to bail kobe out "multiple times", like its happening every other game.
This is no Robert Horry we're talking about. He consistently makes bad decisions, defensive blunders, and has missed at least as many last second shots as he's made. Just off the top of my head game 2 vs Denver last year and game 4 vs SA in 2002. His clutchness was nowhere to be found when Detroit and Boston were wiping the floor with us.
He's a role player who has hit a couple big shots in his career, in the midst of an overwhelming abundance of blunders and mediocrity. He's not a clutch player, in the sense that Robert Horry or Kobe Bryant has been.
No, quite the opposite. Some people are more affected than others by anxiety, like Chris Webber or Peja Stojakovic or David Robinson. They get worse under pressure. The notion of "clutch" players, on the other hand, suggests that some players get better under pressure, that Michael Jordan or Larry Bird or whoever could be counted upon to hit game-winners more so than they could be to hit a shot in the second quarter. This, I don't think is supported. It's just that they're very talented and skilled players who don't choke, and they can use that talent and skill to its full effect. There are non-talented and less-skilled players who don't choke, but there seems to be less of the stigma of failure attached should Robert Horry or Jon Barry or some other 35% 3-point shooter actually miss 65% of his game-winning 3-point shots.
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