Hoopsworld:Parker playing to remain a spur

[The Truth #6]

I don't see how anyone can know for sure what the FO plans to do. Even if they wanted to trade Parker, why would they admit it now with the playoffs about to start?

[Mel_13]

I keep reading that quite often on ST and don't get it...

Tony is soon 28 !!!! ONLY!

Don't be so pescimistic! Even if he loses a bit of speed, his PG skill and overall BB IQ are only going to get better!

Just look at Kidd at 35 or something, running 82 games like he was 20!!!

Saying his trade value will never be higher is not the same as saying he can't get better as a basketball player.

This summer, he's a 28yr old, 3 time All-Star, Finals MVP on an expiring contract in an NBA with multiple teams with huge amounts of cap space and multiple top-level players poised to change teams.

It's also the last summer before the new CBA.

Next summer, he could only be moved in a S&T. In 2012 and 2013, he'll come with a long-term deal if he's still with the Spurs. Plus he'll be over 30.

So it's not unreasonable to say that Tony's trade value will never be higher than it will be in the summer of 2010.

[pad300]

Iggy is the guy I've been thinking about for months, and I think he's the only possible option that makes sense for both parties IMO..the question then becomes whether or not Holt and ownership would be willing to take on the rest of Iguodala's contract..

I don't see anybody else that could be realistic in a deal for Jefferson, unless the Spurs want to take back multiple pieces, which makes things complicated..

As for Parker, I think a lot of people here are overvaluing him..when he's healthy, he's undoubtedly a top 5 player, but he means more to the Spurs than he would for another team..I don't see why a team would give up a good draft pick for him unless they're willing to win now, and teams that are looking to win now don't usually have a good draft pick to part with..

Looking at other teams, I don't see it..I can't really see a deal that could help both teams..

Deng might be another possible. If the bulls don't get a big FA (Bosh/Lebron/Wade) this summer, they might want to get out from Deng's contract...

[DesignatedT]

Deng would be legit.

[Blackjack]

Saying his trade value will never be higher is not the same as saying he can't get better as a basketball player.

This summer, he's a 28yr old, 3 time All-Star, Finals MVP on an expiring contract in an NBA with multiple teams with huge amounts of cap space and multiple top-level players poised to change teams.

It's also the last summer before the new CBA.

Next summer, he could only be moved in a S&T. In 2012 and 2013, he'll come with a long-term deal if he's still with the Spurs. Plus he'll be over 30.

So it's not unreasonable to say that Tony's trade value will never be higher than it will be in the summer of 2010.

Yoda to my Skywalker . . .

[raspsa]

I keep reading that quite often on ST and don't get it...

Tony is soon 28 !!!! ONLY!

Don't be so pescimistic! Even if he loses a bit of speed, his PG skill and overall BB IQ are only going to get better!

Just look at Kidd at 35 or something, running 82 games like he was 20!!!

TP's game is based so much on his speed and quickness.. in a half-court game, he's not as effective.. with Jason Kidd at this point in his career and for the last several years, its the opposite.. plus Kidd has developed a prertty good 3-point shot.

[Thompson]

Yeah, I really doubt the Spurs are trading Parker for anyone not named Deron, Paul, or Rondo.

Bosh + (pg) for Parker + (filler)? They do speak French in Canada.

I don't think the Raptors would do it, but if they're losing Bosh anyway, maybe Bosh + (draft pick) for Parker + Splitter. Then we'd add Bosh and two good draft picks (pg and sf) to our current team (minus Parker).

[EricB]

No comment on the situation. But I will say that the Spurs organization is willing to run George at point guard as long as Manu is also on the team.

Wow....

[Fabbs]

I don't get why people say that Jefferson would be so hard to move. I think the Spurs could even trade me and get some very interesting pieces if I were on a 15 mil expiring contract.

Begining of the season it would be difficult to move Soft for anyone meaningful. Midseason when teams are tanking and positioning for next year, you may well find a lottery bound team looking to move lower and help ensure this with some Soft .

[ducks]

No comment on the situation. But I will say that the Spurs organization is willing to run George at point guard as long as Manu is also on the team.

I know you think george hill is better then tp
you posted when tp was hurt if george did well you would not be surpised to see tp traded.

if spurs are only thinking of trading tp if manu is here they MUST not really think hill is all that of a point guard. Therefore they would be looking for a point guard in return.

if spurs are in a win mode and not rebuild mode moving the starting point guard is not the smartest thing to do unless it is a huge upgrade. it takes a point guard a year playing with players to know where they want the ball. Plus there is a risk they may not work out like rj

[clubalien]

TP has 3

I don't think you are counting this years le.

[ducks]

tp value would b better next year if he stays healthy
he was not healthy this year

[Cry Havoc]

No comment on the situation. But I will say that the Spurs organization is willing to run George at point guard as long as Manu is also on the team.

How is that not commenting on the situation?

[rayray2k8]

I think Hill has the potiential to be better than Parker. Parker is a better scorer, but I think George is a more complete player. I do think a Parker trade is possible if the Spurs feel like it improves their chances to win. But here is the shake down, the spurs didn't make a trade at the deadline because every team wanted Hill and Pop wasn't willing to give him up. But if a package like Rudy Gay(sign and trade) +conley for TP was offered then that fits the bill. George runs point and Conley moves to back up. That won't happen however because the Nets really like Rudy Gay so I see him going to New Jersey this summer.

truth hurts huh duck?

[Mel_13]

I think Hill has the potiential to be better than Parker. Parker is a better scorer, but I think George is a more complete player. I do think a Parker trade is possible if the Spurs feel like it improves their chances to win. But here is the shake down, the spurs didn't make a trade at the deadline because every team wanted Hill and Pop wasn't willing to give him up. But if a package like Rudy Gay(sign and trade) +conley for TP was offered then that fits the bill. George runs point and Conley moves to back up. That won't happen however because the Nets really like Rudy Gay so I see him going to New Jersey this summer.

Nice bit of inside info.

[J_Paco]

I think Hill has the potiential to be better than Parker. Parker is a better scorer, but I think George is a more complete player.

I couldn't disagree with you more on that one. Parker is the better defender, rebounder and is a far better passer. At 20-years old, Parker was putting up better numbers than Hill is at 23. I love George Hill, believe me he's got a lot of upside, but can't say he's got more potential than a three-time all-star and Finals MVP. I want to see Hill carry the Spurs on his back offensively and lead the team to more than 54 victories before I'd ever agree.

[santymrc]

Saying his trade value will never be higher is not the same as saying he can't get better as a basketball player.

This summer, he's a 28yr old, 3 time All-Star, Finals MVP on an expiring contract in an NBA with multiple teams with huge amounts of cap space and multiple top-level players poised to change teams.

It's also the last summer before the new CBA.

Next summer, he could only be moved in a S&T. In 2012 and 2013, he'll come with a long-term deal if he's still with the Spurs. Plus he'll be over 30.

So it's not unreasonable to say that Tony's trade value will never be higher than it will be in the summer of 2010.

MVP MVP! xD

Nice info Phila.

[DJB]

It will be a sad day in Spurnation to see the Big Three not together.

I can't really see Manu or Tony playing against us in a game. Let TP retire here.

that. Trade him.

[DJB]

Deng would be legit.

When are you people going to stfu and realize that we need a legit center?

[J_Paco]

While you make a valid point, you also have to remember that Tony was given a much better chance to play than George has. Tony got to start on a championship team at 19 years old playing with a prime Tim Duncan. Tony started for two whole seasons. Who knows what George might have done had he been given a similar chance on a similar team. But if you look at Hill's numbers when Tony is out they are not standard second year guard numbers. Since George has been here I have seen him play defense and do more than hold his own against all star players in Kevin Durant, Kobe Byrant, Derrick Rose, and Steve Nash. Going back to the start of the season Brandon Jennings was averaging 25 points and Geprge held him to well below that. Last season in the playoffs George had not played too much the last couple months, Pop finally plays him and George
recks up against the Mavs.

I have a friend who is close to Pop, and I'm told Pop says George is his favorite player because he's the only one who still laughs at his jokes. But a source close to the team tells me that the thing that makes George different from other players is his will and determinatation to become great. George is a player who wants to be an all star and wants to lead the team. And he has shown the improvment a great deal.

I agree that George Hill has the potential to be a very good to near all-star caliber player (think: Jason Terry or Kirk Hinrich). Especially, on the defensive end when he truly learns to use his length to disrupt players and hopefully he also get physically stronger. But, I just don't think he'll ever develop the court vision and floor generalship to become an everyday starting PG. His defense continues to astound and improve, but he's gotten torched by a lot of guys also like Chauncey Billups, Russell Westbrook, Joe Johnson and Aaron Brooks. He's got to become more consistent on the defensive end and needs to study his match-up more (ala Bruce Bowen). He's definitely got a couple of All-Defensive Team nods in his future, though.

[exstatic]

I couldn't disagree with you more on that one. Parker is the better defender, rebounder and is a far better passer.

See, now you're just making up. George is a MUCH better rebounder, per minute, than Tony. TP's career average is 2.6 in 33 minutes. George grabs 2.4 in only 23 minutes. George is a VASTLY superior shooter. If Tony had been able to shoot off the P'n'R early in his career like George does, we ing sweep LA in 2004. George is also a much more versatile defender than Tony. You'll never see Pop game plan to have Tony cover some 6'8" SF as his primary man. You also over rate Tony's passing. He can do simple dump offs on the P'n'R, and find the man in the corner, but struggles with any kind of improv passing.

[DJB]

see, now you're just making up. George is a much better rebounder, per minute, than tony. Tp's career average is 2.6 in 33 minutes. George grabs 2.4 in only 23 minutes. George is a vastly superior shooter. If tony had been able to shoot off the p'n'r early in his career like george does, we ing sweep la in 2004. George is also a much more versatile defender than tony. You'll never see pop game plan to have tony cover some 6'8" sf as his primary man. You also over rate tony's passing. He can do simple dump offs on the p'n'r, and find the man in the corner, but struggles with any kind of improv passing.

+1

[J_Paco]

See, now you're just making up. George is a MUCH better rebounder, per minute, than Tony. TP's career average is 2.6 in 33 minutes. George grabs 2.4 in only 23 minutes. George is a VASTLY superior shooter. If Tony had been able to shoot off the P'n'R early in his career like George does, we ing sweep LA in 2004. George is also a much more versatile defender than Tony. You'll never see Pop game plan to have Tony cover some 6'8" SF as his primary man. You also over rate Tony's passing. He can do simple dump offs on the P'n'R, and find the man in the corner, but struggles with any kind of improv passing.

Yeah, no George is a better shooter. Maybe that's why I didn't sight it as something Parker is better than him at. And, I didn't realize that per minute Hill was a better rebounder. Yes, Hill is a more versatile defender, but he's still very inconsistent with his effort. He'll defend Kobe, Durant and Allen well, but then let Billups, Brooks and Westbrook eat his damn lunch. Your last comment is total bull , since I'm sure I didn't imagine Paker finding Hill for a wide-open three off of a no-look pass in traffic Monday night. Parker doesn't have Nash, Kidd, Williams or Paul court-vision but he's definitely no slouch. He's an above-average passer at the NBA level, but Hill is way below him. But, people will never give him credit since he'll probably never average more than 7.5 assists per game.

[Kori Ellis]

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What's funny is that someone I know close to the Spurs says that Pop, etc have actually been disappointed at George's D this year - that they thought it would be vastly improved, and it's not. And also that they don't think he'll be able to make the transition to PG full time. That they think games like the Clippers were just that - games against the Clippers, and that they want him back at the SG spot ASAP but they aren't disrupting the lineups right now til Tony gets healthy.

Another thing that keeps being said is that the reason Pop said that he was his favorite and praises him a lot isn't just because he likes Pop's jokes but also because he needs some coddling (somewhat similar to Hedo).

[exstatic]

Yeah, no George is a better shooter. Maybe that's why I didn't sight it as something Parker is better than him at. And, I didn't realize that per minute Hill was a better rebounder. Yes, Hill is a more versatile defender, but he's still very inconsistent with his effort. He'll defend Kobe, Durant and Allen well, but then let Billups, Brooks and Westbrook eat his damn lunch. Your last comment is total bull , since I'm sure I didn't imagine Paker finding Hill for a wide-open three off of a no-look pass in traffic Monday night. Parker doesn't have Nash, Kidd, Williams or Paul court-vision but he's definitely no slouch. He's an above-average passer at the NBA level, but Hill is way below him. But, people will never give him credit since he'll probably never average more than 7.5 assists per game.

It wasn't Hill, it was Mason, and the announcing team was shocked at the level of difficulty of the pass. People are only shocked at things that don't normally happen, and he normally doesn't make that level of pass. Every blind squirrel finds an acorn someday, I guess. His passing is average, his shooting is below average, but he's got the quicks, at least for now.