Dallas Sucks

[urunobili]

I don't like the name of the thread.. DFW is one of my favorite cities worldwide... it's just Cuban and his crew and just isolated players that makes me puke about them...

[Findog]

nah man. THe logic is there are certain players that always dissapear during the playoffs. And Marion is one of them.

Oh yeah, he "disappears" all right:

eFG% for his career: .511
eFG% in the playoffs: .496

Rebounding rate for his career: 14.6%
Rebounding rate in the playoffs: 15.1%

Steal % for his career: 2.4%
Steal % in the playoffs: 1.9%

Offensive Rating for his career: 111
Offensive Rating in the playoffs: 111

Defensive Rating for his career: 101
Defensive Rating in the playoffs: 104

PER for his career: 19.9
PER in the playoffs: 18.2


His numbers are slightly worse in the playoffs, which is not much of a surprise when the compe ion improves dramatically and you don't play the Nets or Timberwolves. So yeah, he completely falls off a cliff. Good take.

Spurs own the Suns, Marion was a Sun, therefore Marion sucks and will be the Spurs's . Good logic there.

I'm sure you think Dirk "disappears" in the playoffs, considering he's good enough to have participated in 97 playoff games and is one of only 6 guys in NBA history to average a 25/11 in the money season.

[NameOfTheGame]

Why would you watch a matchup featuring two team you supposedly don't care about?

Classic example of the telephone game. This is how rumors get started.

anyway...i never said i didn't care about them. i said i hated them. ("them" being dallas and la.) huge difference, man.

also...i LIVE IN THE BAY AREA. I'm a huge warriors fan as well. why else would i be able to re-watch the whole series off my laptop??

[easy7]

Oh yeah, he "disappears" all right:

eFG% for his career: .511
eFG% in the playoffs: .496

Rebounding rate for his career: 14.6%
Rebounding rate in the playoffs: 15.1%

Steal % for his career: 2.4%
Steal % in the playoffs: 1.9%

Offensive Rating for his career: 111
Offensive Rating in the playoffs: 111

Defensive Rating for his career: 101
Defensive Rating in the playoffs: 104

PER for his career: 19.9
PER in the playoffs: 18.2


His numbers are slightly worse in the playoffs, which is not much of a surprise when the compe ion improves dramatically and you don't play the Nets or Timberwolves. So yeah, he completely falls off a cliff. Good take.

Spurs own the Suns, Marion was a Sun, therefore Marion sucks and will be the Spurs's . Good logic there.

I'm sure you think Dirk "disappears" in the playoffs, considering he's good enough to have participated in 97 playoff games and is one of only 6 guys in NBA history to average a 25/11 in the money season.

Don't get your panties up in a wad. Bonner and Mason have also dissapeared or have been non-factors in the playoffs. I guess that is what we mean here. There are certain individuals that have great regular season games but are nowhere to be found in the playoffs.

[NFGIII]

Going to be a great series. Both sides have weapons that can hurt the other. Both have newbies, playing good BB at the time and the rivalry is intense. As a BB fan nothing could be better than two teams that don't like one another pitted against each other in the POs.

And if Dallas sucks so bad why do they have a better record than the Spurs? For those who about Dirk so much if the Spurs had Dirk for these many years how many rings do you think SA would have? I'm willing to bet more than 4 and more along the lines of 6+. Bonner is here to spread the floor so WTF do you think Dirk would do with a dominant big like TD down low? That would have been Stern's greatest nightmare!

Just Looking at Dallas:

Dirk: How to handle him and I really don't think a committee over a 7 game series is going to get it done. As Findog stated about Manu - just try to make him as inefficient as you can and hope for the best. He will be in the HOF so it's the other players that need to be slowed down. Last year Dirk had some bad games - that is for Dirk - and what ha[ppened? The Spurs got burned by other players and lost.

Kidd: TP needs to own this guy since he has trouble guarding those quick and fast PGs. I want TP or whoever is on him to stay with him. Drive on him constantly and see if you can get him into foul trouble or disrupt his game. No cheating and letting him camp out on the 3 point line. Though he isn't that consistent he can get on a roll and burn you. Contesting him will help not letting him get started. I'd rather see Kidd blanketed more than worrying about what Dirk will do. If the Spurs can disrupt Kidd's game and the flow of the rock then their chances go up significantly. I think Kidd will be the key to winning this series. If he gets on a roll then the Spurs chances aren't very good.

Marion: Against the Spurs he was a huge disappointment for the Suns. But past performances don't neccessarily translate to present ones. He's a good defender, rebounder and scorer so we'll see what he does this year. Controlling the Dallas fast break...similar to what the Spurs did agianst the Suns... will help neutralize him. But Bowen was a major reason for that and with him gone I feel Marion strives in the open court so taking that way from him is neccessary. And if he guards Manu I think he is in for a long series considering the level at which Manu is at.

Dalllas frontline: Much improved with the addition of Hayward. Remember Spurs fans many of you - me included - wanted our FO ot go after him when the Wizzards were in firesale mode. Our frontline isn't as big as theirs - or for that matter most teams in the POs - so this is a concern for me. TD will get his points but where is the defensive rebounding going to come from? Will they own the boards or not?

A win for the Spurs is very doable but this isn't going to be a 5 game series. 6 if not 7 and if not then I'll be very surprised. Dallas has the weapons to beat the Spurs and vica versa. Who steps up is the key.

Having said all that I want to start the POs with either Denver or Utah. Dallas isn't the first round matchup the Spurs want. I'd rather take on the Lakers with a rusty Bynum and a hurt Kobe than the Mavs in the first round.

[Findog]

Don't get your panties up in a wad. Bonner and Mason have also dissapeared or have been non-factors in the playoffs.

What does this non sequitur have to do with anything?

[NameOfTheGame]

Oh yeah, he "disappears" all right:

eFG% for his career: .511
eFG% in the playoffs: .496

Rebounding rate for his career: 14.6%
Rebounding rate in the playoffs: 15.1%

Steal % for his career: 2.4%
Steal % in the playoffs: 1.9%

Offensive Rating for his career: 111
Offensive Rating in the playoffs: 111

Defensive Rating for his career: 101
Defensive Rating in the playoffs: 104

PER for his career: 19.9
PER in the playoffs: 18.2


His numbers are slightly worse in the playoffs, which is not much of a surprise when the compe ion improves dramatically and you don't play the Nets or Timberwolves. So yeah, he completely falls off a cliff. Good take.

Spurs own the Suns, Marion was a Sun, therefore Marion sucks and will be the Spurs's . Good logic there.

I'm sure you think Dirk "disappears" in the playoffs, considering he's good enough to have participated in 97 playoff games and is one of only 6 guys in NBA history to average a 25/11 in the money season.

Yeah...and compare that to most every other "elite" player in NBA history. I'll give you one comparative example that you can look at: Tim Duncan.

[easy7]

What does this non sequitur have to do with anything?

You are bringing up stats like Marion is the best motherfer ever and that we are saying he is not, but reality is that all people here have someone like Marion in their team. People here know Marion and have seen him in the playoffs.

[Findog]

Yeah...and compare that to most every other "elite" player in NBA history. I'll give you one comparative example that you can look at: Tim Duncan.

Is Marion an "elite" player? In his prime an All-Star caliber player, sure, but an elite player? Nope. The Mavs aren't counting on Marion to score 25 a game and take the last shot.

The argument is that Marion "disappears" in the playoffs. He clearly does not. Statistically, he's about 80% the player he is in the regular season. Bringing up Tim Duncan is a non sequitur.

Even if you retort that Marion isn't "clutch," he's not being asked to have the offense run through him in the final five minutes of a game. His role is not exactly the same as it was in Phoenix. He'll be asked to check Manu, crash the boards and get out in the open court for fast break opportunities.

[Findog]

You are bringing up stats like Marion is the best motherfer ever

I'm bringing up stats that prove Marion doesn't "disappear" and fall off a cliff in the playoffs. It's not my problem your cognitive functions are impaired to the point that your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired.

People here know Marion and have seen him in the playoffs

Then you know there's not that much difference between what he does in the regular season and the playoffs.

[Findog]

Spurs have a better point differential

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=2890

The post-trade Mavs are 5th in point differential.

[Rummpd]

Your own stats show the weakness of the Mavs - they stink at rebounding and points in the paint and Parker and Hill will drive the lane with impunity on the still soft Mavs. Mavs pre or post trade have been one of the weakest two seeds in recent WC memory and will go down in flames. A healthy Manu is going to absolutely destroy the Mavs - book it.

[Findog]

Your own stats show the weakness of the Mavs - they stink at rebounding and points in the paint and Parker and Hill will drive the lane with impunity on the still soft Mavs. Mavs pre or post trade have been one of the weakest two seeds in recent WC memory and will go down in flames. A healthy Manu is going to absolutely destroy the Mavs - book it.

A lot of confidence for a team that recently got owned by the Nets and Grizzlies.

[Muser]

A lot of confidence for a team that recently got owned by the Nets and Grizzlies.

At least we beat the elite teams (L.A/Orlando/Cleveland). This year has gone full circle for the Spurs, this series will be a lot closer than last year but I still think Dallas wins in 6/7.

[Findog]

At least we beat the elite teams (L.A/Orlando/Cleveland). This year has gone full circle for the Spurs, this series will be a lot closer than last year but I still think Dallas wins in 6/7.

It's hard to know what to expect from the Spurs on a night to night basis. They're peaking at the right time, but even recently they've had some impressive performances (wins @ LA, Boston, Denver) mixed in with some really bad ones. You can't tell me that they were sleepwalking against Memphis with the stakes involved for playoff positioning.

[easy7]

A lot of confidence for a team that recently got owned by the Nets and Grizzlies.

Findog - If the Mavs eliminate the Spurs this season and don't get past the second round... Will you consider this season a success?

[Rummpd]

A lot of confidence for a team that recently got owned by the Nets and Grizzlies.

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And beat the of of a lot of top teams in a ten day stretch - Magic, Cavs,Lakers, Boston! (Mavs NOT a top team but a mirage!)

Be very afraid Mavs fans this is a resilient and motivated Spurs team that has been the top NBA team in terms of what it had to do to get to 50 wins over the last month and half - pray you do not meet the Spurs as you will all be fishing.

[Findog]

Findog - If the Mavs eliminate the Spurs this season and don't get past the second round... Will you consider this season a success?

Nope, not at all. The Mavs need to advance to the Conference Finals for me to consider the season a modified success. If the Spurs eliminate the Mavs and fail to advance to the Conference Finals, will you consider the Spurs season a success with all the injuries they had and acclimating Jefferson into the lineup?

[Muser]

It's hard to know what to expect from the Spurs on a night to night basis. They're peaking at the right time, but even recently they've had some impressive performances (wins @ LA, Boston, Denver) mixed in with some really bad ones. You can't tell me that they were sleepwalking against Memphis with the stakes involved for playoff positioning.

No I 100% agree, if the Spurs turn up for Memphis/New Jersey and then don't lose other gimme's (Dejuan Blair dumbass technical against Atlanta comes to mind) then tonight could've been a game for the division. IIRC the Spurs have done quite well this season against Dirk, if they can hold him to a below average series then they should win. Sadly holding Dirk to below average is kinda hard..

[Findog]

No I 100% agree, if the Spurs turn up for Memphis/New Jersey and then don't lose other gimme's (Dejuan Blair dumbass technical against Atlanta comes to mind) then tonight could've been a game for the division. IIRC the Spurs have done quite well this season against Dirk, if they can hold him to a below average series then they should win. Sadly holding Dirk to below average is kinda hard..

He's had 1 great game and two slightly subpar games against the Spurs this year.

[Rummpd]

At least we beat the elite teams (L.A/Orlando/Cleveland). This year has gone full circle for the Spurs, this series will be a lot closer than last year but I still think Dallas wins in 6/7.

Oh thee of little faith - worried about the Mavs? This Spurs team, with a healthy Manu, will not lose a playoff series to the Mavs in consecutive years.

[Lukor]

Your own stats show the weakness of the Mavs - they stink at rebounding and points in the paint and Parker and Hill will drive the lane with impunity on the still soft Mavs. Mavs pre or post trade have been one of the weakest two seeds in recent WC memory and will go down in flames. A healthy Manu is going to absolutely destroy the Mavs - book it.

geez dude i have never seen such an unbiased and objective analysis. Some team should hire you as an assistant coach, no kidding.

[Muser]

Oh thee of little faith - worried about the Mavs? This Spurs team, with a healthy Manu, will not lose a playoff series to the Mavs in consecutive years.

Not as worried as I was a month ago, i'm not saying we can't beat them but it's not exactly a dream matchup.

[easy7]

Nope, not at all. The Mavs need to advance to the Conference Finals for me to consider the season a modified success. If the Spurs eliminate the Mavs and fail to advance to the Conference Finals, will you consider the Spurs season a success with all the injuries they had and acclimating Jefferson into the lineup?

Anything less than the championship will be a failure. I lived in Dallas for 20 yrs, got my degree from UTA and owned a home in Mesquite and it seems like the Mav fans that I knew there were happy with just beating the Spurs and talking about it when I didn't even mention the times the Spurs have won it all.

[Findog]

Anything less than the championship will be a failure. I lived in Dallas for 20 yrs, got my degree from UTA and owned a home in Mesquite and it seems like the Mav fans that I knew there were happy with just beating the Spurs and talking about it when I didn't even mention the times the Spurs have won it all.

I don't think Dallas is gonna beat Cleveland in a 7-game series. That's just being realistic. Having said that, Cuban has reoriented the franchise's philosophy and direction to where competing for a championship is an expectation, not a hope. I think Dallas is a darkhorse contender for the le this year. Having said that, I can't honestly get pissed off if they lose to the Cavs/Magic in the Finals, should they make it that far.