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  1. #101
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    What's the difference really? "Jumpshooting frontrunner" sounds like a synonym for "soft pussy." They imply the same characteristics.




    They get out to big leads (their best PD is in the 1st Q) because their starting five is an excellent five-man unit. They have trouble maintaining leads because of iffy bench production (Terry's streakiness) and the fact that they're an old team with a lot of guys that are 30+. I suspect that a big reason why their PD doesn't match their W-L record is because they get out-quicked by younger and fresher legs in the second halves of games. Fatigue won't be as much of a factor in the playoffs because there are no B2Bs. They also win damn near close to 70% of games decided by 5 or less - that's Kidd's leadership and bball IQ, the two-man game with Dirk and Terry consistently creating good looks in half-court sets during crunch-time, and Carlisle being a good in-game micromanager.
    Mavs are just predestined to be curbstomped by the teams of certain types IMHO, which doesn't have much to do with fatigues or anything related. As much as well-agglutinated their starting 5 are, they cannot show any dominance in the early 1st quarter and more often than not they just barely stay afloat with game tied or divided by 5pt or less. they just start to show signs of losing as their destiny intends and concede massive points as the game goes into 2nd quarter (take the games against Thunder for example), not because they start to rest and slack off, nor that their bench-off players are e. Carlisle has Roddy to play behind Kidd but Barea always gets his call, which consequently lead to the opposing PG/SG dropping points unstoppably at times. And I don't think such poor subs utions are normally supposed to be made by a good ingame coach.

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    Just gotta hope Marion misses 4 gimme layups right at the start again.

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    Just gotta hope Marion misses 4 gimme layups right at the start again.
    please don't say this anymore. gives me nightmares.

  4. #104
    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    Yeah like we haven't seen that sequence play out before. Dirk shooting a fadeaway in crunch time over a 6-4 rookie with 5 fouls comes to mind quickly.

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    Yeah like we haven't seen that sequence play out before. Dirk shooting a fadeaway in crunch time over a 6-4 rookie with 5 fouls comes to mind quickly.
    Yeah, and we've also never seem him set up shop in the high post and put a team away in crunchtime...or get the ball on the low block near the baseline and go to work, either spinning towards the hoop for a layup or hitting Kidd for an open three when the defense collapses on him. Dirk sucks.

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    At least I've got a definitive take on the series. I'm not going to pussyfoot around with some milquetoast take of "well both teams are just so gosh darn good, it really could go either way". If the Mavs win this series you have no room to talk because you don't even have the balls to pick them outright.

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    Just gotta hope Marion misses 4 gimme layups right at the start again.

    It's the playoffs against the Spurs, you can count on it.

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    At least I've got a definitive take on the series. I'm not going to pussyfoot around with some milquetoast take of "well both teams are just so gosh darn good, it really could go either way". If the Mavs win this series you have no room to talk because you don't even have the balls to pick them outright.
    Mavs in 6.

    Ima torch that ass when it happens.

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    It's the playoffs against the Spurs, you can count on it.
    Myth, tbh.

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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...505220PHO.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...505240PHO.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...505280SAS.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...505300SAS.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...506010PHO.html

    His series high against the Spurs in 2005 was 11, while he averaged 19.4 PPG in the regular season. If that's not choking, please Mr. Basketball, be my guest and tell me what choking is.

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    It's ok, yo don't have to try and show out.

    also Ghazi put a rest to your claim yesterday, imho.

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    It's ok, yo don't have to try and show out.

    also Ghazi put a rest to your claim yesterday, imho.

    So what I just showed isn't choking?

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    At least I've got a definitive take on the series. I'm not going to pussyfoot around with some milquetoast take of "well both teams are just so gosh darn good, it really could go either way". If the Mavs win this series you have no room to talk because you don't even have the balls to pick them outright.
    I picked Mavs in 7

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...7&postcount=15

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    So what I just showed isn't choking?
    No. Amare ballhogging, imho.

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    Shawn Marion:

    eFG% for his career: .511
    eFG% in the playoffs: .496

    Rebounding rate for his career: 14.6%
    Rebounding rate in the playoffs: 15.1%

    Steal % for his career: 2.4%
    Steal % in the playoffs: 1.9%

    Offensive Rating for his career: 111
    Offensive Rating in the playoffs: 111

    Defensive Rating for his career: 101
    Defensive Rating in the playoffs: 104

    PER for his career: 19.9
    PER in the playoffs: 18.2


    His numbers are slightly worse in the playoffs, which is not much of a surprise when the compe ion improves dramatically and you don't play the Nets or Timberwolves. We don't need him to score 20 a game like the Suns did, we need him to check Manu and keep him from bukakking all over us. If Manu scores 18-20 a game on 43% shooting, then Marion has done his job. If he scores 30-35 on +50% shooting, then we're in trouble.

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    No. Amare ballhogging, imho.

    The fact Marion's FG% was significantly lower during that series than it was during the regular season debunks that theory. Also, when you're averaging 40+ points on 60+% shooting, it's not really ball hogging.

  18. #118
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    Shawn Marion:

    eFG% for his career: .511
    eFG% in the playoffs: .496

    Rebounding rate for his career: 14.6%
    Rebounding rate in the playoffs: 15.1%

    Steal % for his career: 2.4%
    Steal % in the playoffs: 1.9%

    Offensive Rating for his career: 111
    Offensive Rating in the playoffs: 111

    Defensive Rating for his career: 101
    Defensive Rating in the playoffs: 104

    PER for his career: 19.9
    PER in the playoffs: 18.2


    His numbers are slightly worse in the playoffs, which is not much of a surprise when the compe ion improves dramatically and you don't play the Nets or Timberwolves. We don't need him to score 20 a game like the Suns did, we need him to check Manu and keep him from bukakking all over us. If Manu scores 18-20 a game on 43% shooting, then Marion has done his job. If he scores 30-35 on +50% shooting, then we're in trouble.

    I'm talking about playoffs against the Spurs. Congrats to him for bukkaking all over the 2006 and 2007 Lakers.

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    yup he dissapears vs. Spurs in the playoffs.

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    This aint the 05-07 Spurs either!

  21. #121
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    I'm talking about playoffs against the Spurs. Congrats to him for bukkaking all over the 2006 and 2007 Lakers.
    And he's not the same player he was in 2007 and he doesn't have the same role on the 2010 Mavs that he did on the 2007 Suns. He's lost some hops. He's not a guy that is going to consistently get you 20 a game like he did during the Run-n-Gun Era with Phoenix. He can still play defense. He's a role player for us, and as long as he continues to play D the way he did in the regular season, we're good. We don't need to run our offense through him in crunch time and take the last shot for us.

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    The Suns' "needing" Marion to score 20+ points is the biggest sack of bull in this thread. The Suns needed Marion to do his job and not force the issue. The amount of dumb shots he took and wide open shots he missed against the Spurs played a huge role in the Suns losing. He had a WIDE open 3 against the Spurs in game 5 that would have sent it to overtime. Clank.

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    I'm talking about playoffs against the Spurs. Congrats to him for bukkaking all over the 2006 and 2007 Lakers.
    I dunno.....is it choking if youre being guarded by Bowen who was putting a hand in Marion's face even when the Spurs had the ball?

  24. #124
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    I don't think Marion choking will have a huge effect on this series since half the time he's not even playing in the final minutes for Dallas, my only argument here is that he obviously did choke against the Spurs and anyone who tries to argue against that is bias in some sort of way.

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    The biggest issue for Marion right now is his health as he did not look right at all in last night's game. I know he was coming off an injury and maybe a couple days of rest before Sunday should help.

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