Phoenix is LOOKING GOOD..Spurs/Mavs winner is

[picc84]

Wow. Just wow. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when LA had all that early season success, was it not in large part due to Kobe beasting in the post?

Sure, he was great in the post. The early season success was due to that, us having a good overall team, and a soft homecourt schedule though. Him in the post worked best back then because Gasol was out and there was spacing with Odom in there with Bynum. When the twin towers are in, its a fail mission because the paint collapses and there are no consistent outside shooters.

Kobe being in the post is good for his individual game because he can score more efficiently from there, but its not the best way for the team to operate. He tends to get tunnel-visioned when he's down there and thinks he has to shoot no matter what. And when he does pass out, who is he passing to?

We have so many post-up players that it would be prudent to allow the ones who can't shoot off a kickout to do it. Kobe is a great perimeter player and the best spot-up shooter on the team, something that goes unnoticed because he has the ball in his hands so much. Artest is an inconsistent one, especially lately. Fisher goes without saying. Gasol and Bynum aren't at all.

Kobe operating from the perimeter helps all of those guys' games out. Kobe in the post primarily helps his own game. Better to do what benefits the team most than to have Kobe shoot a high % but damage the team game.

Thats my piece. Probably about 3 more paragraphs more than a Suns fan is willing to read about the Lakers.

also

CROFL butthurt 5.7/3.8/12.5 million/21 blessings per game

[Goran Dragic]

It's also my opinion LA is just completely misusing Ron Artest. You watch video of him in Houston he's a way better shooter off the dribble than off the catch. When he's got a favorable match up they should run more plays for him, I figured when they replaced Ariza with him they'd improve by having another perimeter weapon who can create off thr dribble but they haven't showcased that all year.

[picc84]

Yeah, I know. But heaven forbid anyone criticize mr. 10 rings, lest 21 Bynums come after you with the wrath of 12.5 million angry gods.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Na picc I agree completely that Kobe should be used as a spot up shooter a lot more. When he's got the time to line his shot up and step into a balanced shot, he's just as good a shooter as anyone, plus if he played off ball more it'd be less of a grind on his legs. They should run more plays where Artest is handling the ball and Kobe is a spot up shooter, Ariza was great as the off ball compliment to Kobe last year when he couldn't miss as the spot up threat behind the arc. Just like Ariza couldn't replace Ron as the off dribble threat he was in Houston, Ron can't replace the great off ball compliment Ariza was to Kobe.

[mavsfan1000]

Mavs have no one that can guard Amare. This is a matchup nightmare for us. It's 04-05 all over again. We barely get by San Antonio (was Houston) and lose to 6 against the Suns.

[mavsfan1000]

It's also my opinion LA is just completely misusing Ron Artest. You watch video of him in Houston he's a way better shooter off the dribble than off the catch. When he's got a favorable match up they should run more plays for him, I figured when they replaced Ariza with him they'd improve by having another perimeter weapon who can create off thr dribble but they haven't showcased that all year.

He's a bad fit because of that. He needs to catch and shoot for the Lakers to be at their best.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's not like 2005 at all, back then the Mavs had no one who could stop Nash OR Amare so they completely shredded Dallas with that pick and roll, and also back then the Suns had a guy in Marion who could do a semi-decent job guarding Dirk. Since Dallas got Kidd Phoenix's pick and roll has been way less effective against them because Kidd is big enough to fight through screens and give Nash trouble seeing the court.

[mavsfan1000]

It's not like 2005 at all, back then the Mavs had no one who could stop Nash OR Amare so they completely shredded Dallas with that pick and roll, and also back then the Suns had a guy in Marion who could do a semi-decent job guarding Dirk. Since Dallas got Kidd Phoenix's pick and roll has been way less effective against them because Kidd is big enough to fight through screens and give Nash trouble seeing the court.

You think Kidd can keep up with Nash? Wish we still had Harris for matchups like this. Harris could've changed that 04-05 series around as well with his defense on Nash. But Avery kept him on the bench in favor Terry getting heavy minutes. And Marion did not do that great on Dirk. It's just that Amare was more effective. Dampier is not going to be any better at handling Amare through age.

[Ghazi]

You think Kidd can keep up with Nash? Wish we still had Harris for matchups like this. Harris could've changed that 04-05 series around as well with his defense on Nash. But Avery kept him on the bench in favor Terry getting heavy minutes. And Marion did not do that great on Dirk. It's just that Amare was more effective. Dampier is not going to be any better at handling Amare through age.

Shut the up, Harris blows.

[Ghazi]

Mavs with Harris this year = 8 seed and steamrolled by LA in 1st round. Mother ing fact.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You think Kidd can keep up with Nash? Wish we still had Harris for matchups like this. Harris could've changed that 04-05 series around as well with his defense on Nash. But Avery kept him on the bench in favor Terry getting heavy minutes. And Marion did not do that great on Dirk. It's just that Amare was more effective. Dampier is not going to be any better at handling Amare through age.

If you're wondering why all the Mavs fans on this site find you re ed, this is why.

You think Kidd can keep up with Nash?

I'd say he did a decent job "keeping up with" Nash here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...804060PHO.html

and here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...901090PHO.html

also this was a decent job (I think):
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...904050DAL.html

finally this one wasn't so bad:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...002170DAL.html

Since they got Kidd, the Mavs are 6-2 against the Suns.

Wish we still had Harris for matchups like this. Harris could've changed that 04-05 series around as well with his defense on Nash.

Yeah, just like Devin Harris' defense on Baron Davis changed the 2006-2007 or how his defense on D-Wade changed the 2006 NBA finals. fyi, the Mavs were about to go up 3-0 on Miami with Adrian Griffin starting and guarding Wade until Devin Harris' game changing defense was put on Wade in the 4th quarter. Once Devin The Glove Harris replaced Griffin in the starting lineup, Wade went into beast mode.

And Marion did not do that great on Dirk.

I didn't say great, I said semi-decent, there's a difference last I checked. Since Marion was traded, Dirk has played Phoenix 9 times and has had 28 or more points against them all but twice. I didn't feel like averaging it out, but looking at the score, my guess is he averaged well over 30+ points in his most recent 9 games against Phoenix. Marion defended Dirk way better than anyone on Phoenix currently can.

[mavsfan1000]

If you're wondering why all the Mavs fans on this site find you re ed, this is why.



I'd say he did a decent job "keeping up with" Nash here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...804060PHO.html

and here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...901090PHO.html

also this was a decent job (I think):
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...904050DAL.html

finally this one wasn't so bad:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...002170DAL.html

Since they got Kidd, the Mavs are 6-2 against the Suns.



Yeah, just like Devin Harris' defense on Baron Davis changed the 2006-2007 or how his defense on D-Wade changed the 2006 NBA finals. fyi, the Mavs were about to go up 3-0 on Miami with Adrian Griffin starting and guarding Wade until Devin Harris' game changing defense was put on Wade in the 4th quarter. Once Devin The Glove Harris replaced Griffin in the starting lineup, Wade went into beast mode.



I didn't say great, I said semi-decent, there's a difference last I checked. Since Marion was traded, Dirk has played Phoenix 9 times and has had 28 or more points against them all but twice. I didn't feel like averaging it out, but looking at the score, my guess is he averaged well over 30+ points in his most recent 9 games against Phoenix. Marion defended Dirk way better than anyone on Phoenix currently can.

So much wrong information here. 1. Amare is now in beast mode. When he gets this way, Dallas has no one to guard him. 2. Nash is a different player in the playoffs than the regular season. Kidd will not be able to sustain good defense on Nash. 3. Phoenix is a much deeper team. They were not that good earlier in the year but their young talent like Dragic and getting a healthy Barbosa has really helped. Btw I expect them to kill Barea off the bench. 4. Harris against Wade is a size mismatch. Wade was sick early in that series and that hurt him early on. Harris matches up perfectly against Nash size wise. Wade was starting to beast against Griffin anyways. I don't think it mattered who guarded him. Howard sucked at guarding him. And the refs made it that much harder with those phantom fouls. 5. Mavs don't like playing running teams. Golden State 2007 is a perfect example of a running nightmare since the mavs jumpshooting tends to lead to a lot of running by the other team.

[mavsfan1000]

Shut the up, Harris blows.

I'm so sick of you stalking my posts on multiple forums. Get a life.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So much wrong information here. 1. Amare is now in beast mode. When he gets this way, Dallas has no one to guard him.

Phoenix has no one who can guard Dirk. Both players would have a huge series.

2. Nash is a different player in the playoffs than the regular season. Kidd will not be able to sustain good defense on Nash. 3.

Why do you hate Kidd so much? He's been Dallas' 2nd best player all year and has played extremely well. His defense on Nash has been way better than anyone on Dallas from 2005-2007, during which Nash completely bukkaked all over whoever Dallas stuck on him. Now when Dallas plays Phoenix he more or less matches Nash.

Phoenix is a much deeper team. They were not that good earlier in the year but their young talent like Dragic and getting a healthy Barbosa has really helped.

You are talking completely out of your ass here. Dragic has been good all year, he didn't burst onto the scene in recent months, he's been a key off the bench player for this team since day 1. Getting Barbosa back has not done jack to help the Suns, anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't watched any of their recent games. Barbosa's play has been an abortion. Both teams have improved over the course of the year.

4. Harris against Wade is a size mismatch. Wade was sick early in that series and that hurt him early on. Harris matches up perfectly against Nash size wise.

No, this is about as wrong as it gets. Speedy, quick point guards like Harris have always gotten torched by Nash. Players who defend Nash well are bigger players who can fight through screens and make it harder for Nash to see the court, Bruce Bowen being the best example of this. The only time Pop ever switched Bowen onto a PG was Steve Nash.

5. Mavs don't like playing running teams. Golden State 2007 is a perfect example of a running nightmare since the mavs jumpshooting tends to lead to a lot of running by the other team.

You're right, when the Mavs had Devin Harris and Jason Terry trying to run their offense, it would lead to undisciplined shots and them being dooped into getting in shoot outs with Phoenix and Golden State. Now that they have a legitimate high IQ point guard who can run a half court offense and settle the team down, that doesn't happen anymore. How strange.


I'm not saying Dallas would kill Phoenix or anything, I think it would be a pretty even series. To say it would be a repeat of 2005 is pretty re ed.

[mavsfan1000]

Phoenix has no one who can guard Dirk. Both players would have a huge series.

Agreed but Dirk is a jumpshooter. The defender really doesn't much to do with Dirk making or missing shots. The tempo of the game and the way the game is reffed does.

Why do you hate Kidd so much? He's been Dallas' 2nd best player all year and has played extremely well. His defense on Nash has been way better than anyone on Dallas from 2005-2007, during which Nash completely bukkaked all over whoever Dallas stuck on him. Now when Dallas plays Phoenix he more or less matches Nash.

Kidd is a complete defensive liability. Andre Miller went for 52 on him. Collison had a huge game against him. Basically anyone slightly fast at point guard has given him problems. If you watched him all season, you would know that. Surprisingly, he performed well against Nash but I think that has more to do with Nash not on his game. And Kidd can't go back at Nash either. Not enough speed to hurt Nash's defense. Big advantage to Nash.

You are talking completely out of your ass here. Dragic has been good all year, he didn't burst onto the scene in recent months, he's been a key off the bench player for this team since day 1. Getting Barbosa back has not done jack to help the Suns, anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't watched any of their recent games. Barbosa's play has been an abortion. Both teams have improved over the course of the year.

Alright you got me. I haven't much Suns games as well as you haven't watched many mavs games. All I know is the Suns are playing by far their basketball right now.

No, this is about as wrong as it gets. Speedy, quick point guards like Harris have always gotten torched by Nash. Players who defend Nash well are bigger players who can fight through screens and make it harder for Nash to see the court, Bruce Bowen being the best example of this. The only time Pop ever switched Bowen onto a PG was Steve Nash.

Bowen is speedy. You kidding me? He's a pain in the ass to get around. Harris was key to our success in 05-06 playoffs against Nash. Terry is probably the worst Nash defender I've ever seen. He isn't speedy despite his nickname. And Parker had some success defending Nash to.

You're right, when the Mavs had Devin Harris and Jason Terry trying to run their offense, it would lead to undisciplined shots and them being dooped into getting in shoot outs with Phoenix and Golden State. Now that they have a legitimate high IQ point guard who can run a half court offense and settle the team down, that doesn't happen anymore. How strange.


I'm not saying Dallas would kill Phoenix or anything, I think it would be a pretty even series. To say it would be a repeat of 2005 is pretty re ed.

The same thing happens with the mavs now. I would argue that they are even more of a jumpshooting now than before. Howard and Harris used to be aggressive. Butler=Jumpshots, Kidd=jumpshots, Nowitzki=jumpshots, Najera=jumphots, Terry=jumphots, and Barea=jumpshots.