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We should just stop, because you are clearly too emotional. Using two laughing emoticons is a clear sign of deeper issues.Not really, but whatever.
When Garnett makes a play he yells and pounds his chest!
emotion wins again, case closed nothing to see here
We should just stop, because you are clearly too emotional. Using two laughing emoticons is a clear sign of deeper issues.
There should be a debate, as there's no reason why KG couldn't have had a similar impact, but his insecurity and assness wouldn't allow it.
Instead he shied away from being called 7' because that would mean he'd have to take his ass to the paint and take the punishment; settling for jumpers and not paying the price to best help his team was the easy way out.
Plus, his constant insecurity and need to not be viewed as soft had him concoct a fugazi image that grated on his teammates and eventually brought resentment; being comfortable in your own skin and conducting yourself in the right way, as a teammate and professional, tends to net better results. (see: Duncan, Tim)
IOW, the debate never had much merit.
KG didn't take his ass to the paint not because he was soft - the man lead the NBA in rebounding for years and softies can't rebound that well. He was just a different kind of player, the first of a type of big man that now is becoming pretty common and will be dominant in the future.
You can't play in the blocks in the NBA without lower body strength and KG simply never had it - well, he has a little now but when he entered the league he wasn't even close. OTOH, he could do other things.
I also doubt that KG was ever a bad teammate, but that's part of the Spursfan mythology and doesn't even make an acceptable issue for a serious basketball discussion.
Bad teammate is relative.
He wasn't bad in the sense he was overtly critical or that he didn't put the work in during practice, but he was always perfectly willing to accept the premise that his team didn't have talent (a myth perpetuated by his fanboys) and he was always portraying a false image; he wanted the credit and to be viewed as the General on the court but when it came time to put up or shut up, he was always looking for his inferior talent to bail his ass out. Thus the resentment and less than enthusiastic teammates.
Oh, and the excuse for him not going to the post are lame. There's no reason on Earth a guy with the moves and la ude he's been afforded when it comes to the pivot foot, that he couldn't have played in the post much more often.
No one's saying to be Shaq but he could've been a lot closer to Duncan; which would've been much more beneficial to his team.
Like Findog said, Duncan is a 1 and Garnett is a 1.5. There is nothing to debate because one would need two 1's in order to have a debate.
NO, it's not over but only because the talking heads at the 4-Letter influence it to be not over.
Supposedly, KG's a defensive genius and he gets lots of 1st team D votes and he even has a DPOY. Tim should already have 2. Bowen should have at least 1.
But reality...Tim's never been the lesser player. More efficient, more dominant in his play, and more effective in results. Tim Duncan-Will retire as the greatest PF to ever play the game.
Just playing devil's advocate, but if you had put Garnett on the Spurs and Duncan in Minnesota, what would have happened?
Could Garnett have won a ring with the Admiral? What about with Parker and Ginobili backing him up? Or were Sprewell and the Alien just as good?
What? Not sure what you mean. You think those Wolves teams had any kind of talent? Most of them were absolutely awful.
Well, Duncan was never able to guard smaller players, to defend the pick'n'roll or to close-out on shooters nearly was well as Garnett. Why do you think that is?
Guys with Garnett body type generally don't play in the blocks. How many times have you seen Anthony Randolph or Austin Daye there?
Hmm... I think the Spurs wouldn't have won the 2003 ring. They would have won the others.
Duncan would have never won a ring in Minny. People forget Cassell got injured, that Sprewell wasn't playing defense anymore and how absolutely awful was that supporting cast. I mean, most of the guys in the rotation were out of the league 2 seasons later.
Not sure if Boston would have won in 2008 with Duncan instead of Garnett. It'd change the defensive quality of the team quite a bit. Never thought about this, need some more time.
lol this didn't make the top 10 blocks on nba.comThis won't get old anytime soon.
so sad
Was this ever a legit debate? Duncan has been dominant on both ends of the floor for over a decade and never had to be "fake tough" to impact game. Duncan is the epitome of a professional. KG is a great player but started fading fast after 2007 and overall, just behaves like a "punk". He will never be on Duncan's level.
I agree that Duncan probably wouldn't have won a ring in Minnesota. Not sure how well Garnett would've meshed with David, though.
Remember a big reason for Duncan's immediate impact was Robinson's conscious decision to turn over control of the offense to the youngster (which, if you've ever heard him talk about it, was far from an easy decision to make). I honestly believe Timmy's humility went a long way towards easing that transition. Not sure if the same would've happened with a young Kevin Garnett, especially recalling the fact that the Spurs' recent experience with trying to mesh Rodman with Robinson didn't sit well at all with The Admiral.
duncan wouldve gotten out of the first round
did artest really say that? if so that only shows what impact timmy has on him... seriously for artest to even notice how timmy operates that is pretty amazing
artest knows a punk when he sees one and he knows KG is a POSER (ask anthony peeler)
Well... that first round thing is kinda BS. When did the Timberwolves ever lose to a lesser team? They lost to teams they were supposed to lose to.... if we look at the rosters, we would find that even with Duncan, they would still lose to them. Let's remember, Duncan has always had good teammates. When Garnett finally got good teammates, he happened to win a le, too.
Garnett actually is slightly favored in the statistical department. This is amazing given that he plays further from the basket, and therefore should be expected to have a lower FG% and rebounds.
Still, unless it's Michael Jordan, I prefer a franchise player who parks his butt near the basket. It's where the action is.
I doubt it. In which season? Those teams were really bad and teams with only one marquee player are generally easy to beat in a series. The exception are generally top-tier defensive teams like the 76ers with AI and the Cavs with LBJ a couple of seasons ago, but Duncan wouldn't make those Wolves teams defensive juggernauts more than Garnett.
I think the biggest advantage Duncan has over Garnett is being a more traditional center - he's easier to build around, it's easier to find complementary players for him (especially during the first 6/7 seasons of the last decade, now the game is evolving in a different direction).
DID SOMEONE SAY CELTICS!?
RAJON RONDO??!
YEAH MAN HES A ING ALL STAR POINT GUARD
CHRIS PAUL? STEVE NASH? KIDD? BILLUPS? DAVIS? ARENAS? ING JOKES COMPARED TO RONDO
PAUL PIERCE IS THE GREATEST SHOOTING GUARD EVER
FORGET THE FACT THAT KOBE SCORED 81 POINTS IN A SINGLE GAME AND WON 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS
OR THAT WADE IS AN NBA FINALS MVP AND HAS A CHAMPIONSHIP
PAUL PIERCE LED THE ING CELTICS TO THE EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS IN 2002 BY HIMSELF AND THEN GOT ING DESTROYED BY THE NETS
WHO ELSE CAN SAY THEY HAVE DONE THAT? NO ONE THATS WHO
KEVIN GARNETT IS ABOVE EVERY OTHER POWER FORWARD'S SKILL
I MEAN GODAMN HES BEEN IN THE NBA FOR OVER 12 YEARS AND HAS ONE CHAMPIONSHIP TO SHOW FOR IT YET BUT HES STILL IN HIS PRIME
HE MAKES CHARLES BARKLEY IN HIS PRIME LOOK LIKE A GODAMN LITLTE
DIRK NOWITZKI WON THE MVP LAST YEAR? PFT THAT GARNETT WON IT LIKE 5 YEARS AGO
WHO CARES THAT DUNCAN HAS 4 CHAMPIONSHIPS AND ALMOST EVERY YEAR THE SPURS REACH THE FINALS
WHO WANTS TO WITH THAT? THE MIAMI HEAT DONT WANT NONE
I LOVE THE BOSTON CELTICS, THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM EVER
TIM DUNCAN
AINT GOT
ON ME
YOUR 2010 NBA NO THAT BASKETBALL CHAMPIONS OF THE UNIVERSE
Garnett is the better athlete, Duncan is the better basketball player. IMO, that is most important. I don't or never disliked KG, but to me, TD is better.
I've never really had a problem with Garnett mainly because I've never felt inclined to pay him one iota of attention. I don't think he's ever been as good as Duncan all around as a leader, a winner, on the block, help defense etc. Duncan by a mile.
As I've said before, as if we needed another reason to hate the Lakers, there's their complete collapse in '08 that allowed Garnett to weasel his way into a championship.
Gasol has grown up a lot since that series, but he's probably the only big man in the league soft enough to be intimidated by Garnett's cornball routine.
And although PJ owns the championship record, getting punked by the likes of Doc Rivers is an episode the zen master would like to forget I reckon.
I agree 100%, they are different types of players. Regardless of what position they play their styles are much different. I've never seen evidence that KG was a bad team mate either infact I'd argue that he's a good team mate. Usually bad team mates are hung out to dry at one point or another through the media or other such outlets. Especially with the development of things like facebook and especially twitter.
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