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TO's were the archiles heel tonight and that's why the lost but ignoring how you weren't allowed to defend the Mav's best player is ignoring a cancer that exists.
Dirk gets calls with staying aggressive and having a herky-jerky way of throwing the ball toward the basket. You can't let him get And-1's with wussy fouls. If you are going to foul him, make him feel it, and make sure he doesn't get the basket. The Spurs don't have a good match to guard Dirk - they need someone of Udonis Haslem's body style to get him out of his comfort zone.
But seriously, Spurs fans need to stop with blaming the officials on every loss (I'm not addressing the original poster but rather the dozens of other thread starters). It's embarrassing. Spurs didn't play good basketball today. They need to sack up and take game 2.
TO's were the archiles heel tonight and that's why the lost but ignoring how you weren't allowed to defend the Mav's best player is ignoring a cancer that exists.
fixed. The Spurs were allowed to, just not able to.
And Kori was talking about es like you when she said that IMHO.
We need an enforcer player who can physically and mentally intimidate him like the player in this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC-pzv34c50
I have no problem letting Dirk shooting turnaround jumpshots from 12, 15, 18 feet. If he can make them at the rate he is doing now so be it. I do have a problem with Dirk getting the benefit of a whistle when he is a 7 foot jumpshooter. Timmy, on the other hand, does not get a call and has a Mav player pushing him on the back taking it to the rim.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind ing Dirk's up.
Funny...so you are admitting that you need another dirty player like bowen.Dang that's making me crack up.
we miss Horry more than Bowen in this regard
Duncan got called for a foul even if Dirk was the one who stepped on TD's foot. Id still stick dice on him just to mess up his release.
Kenyon Martin got raped by Dirk last post-season too. He dropped 34/12 on him on excellent efficiency.
Dirk is a great player, and a tough match for anyone. And it's not fair for people to blame Bonner for not being able to guard him 1-on-1. Nobody is going to do that very well. Dirk is going to get his points.
But you can't always blame guys for not playing hard when the refs are giving out breathing fouls on one end. It's no different than when Tim (or anyone else) has 5 fouls midway through the 4th quarter. He can't defend the same way, because he can't afford any more whistles. We were there for most of the second half - at least.
Did you ever look closely at that 2006 series against the Mavs? In their 3 wins, the Spurs committed 19.3 fouls per game. In their 4 losses, they averaged 28.25 fouls per game! What happened there? Was it really because the Spurs needed to "sack up" in those 4 games? Maybe 1 or even 2 games they might commit that many fouls, but not four. And tonight, with a little over 3 minutes left in the 3rd, the Mavs had a 20-4 FTA advantage?
Looking at the numbers tonight, and from the 4 losses in 06, you would have to say that both squads (06 and 10) are a bunch of wussies... unless you can concede that the whistles have at least some part in things.
That 06 team was damned good. This team may not be as good, but they aren't totally incompetent.
if only the spurs have someone who could force him to play defense the whole game.
Stars get whistles. That's how it is. And Dirk gets his fair share. But Spurs fans blame every single loss to the Mavs on the refs.. If fans really think that the refs are controlling every outcome, then they probably shouldn't watch basketball. Or maybe, they should watch it and think of it like wrestling or something. One reason that Dirk gets a lot of calls against the Spurs is because he is a huge huge mismatch for them. The guys that might be strong enough are too slow, the guys that might be athletic enough are too small.. you get my drift. He's a mismatch for most teams, but the Spurs don't have anyone on the roster that can do a decent job on him, and Pop hasn't figured out a game plan to make Dirk work on the other end.
And there was a lot more going on this game than the refs. Tim and Manu combined for what, 11 turnovers? RJ, Hill, Bogans, Bonner and Mason combined for 3-for-15 from the field, the Spurs lost the battle of the boards, and they let Jason Kidd control the tempo.
So anyway, my point was that it's not ALWAYS and ONLY about the refs... sometimes, the Mavs outwork, outhustle, outplay the Spurs. There were 15 threads started after the game complaining about the refs.. laughable.
This.
Dirk isn't having to work on both ends of the floor. McDyess and Bonner just aren't a threat, on either end of the floor.
One more thing. If the Spurs got their share of whistles and missed the FT's - em. If they got any open shot they wanted and pulled up blind all night - same thing.
But when Tim gets hammered taking it to the rim and no whistles get blown? That's another story. When he's got the ball and someone comes down across both of his forearms, and it's just another turnover for the Spurs? No. How ridiculous does it have to get? If you knew... I mean really knew, that the refs would never blow a whistle, you could win an NBA le with a bunch of college kids. Yeah, that's extreme. But at some point, you have to acknowledge that the whistles can affect the outcome of the game.
How far down the ridiculous curve does it have to go? Because tonight was pretty bad. And it would have only taken a couple of less whistles on one end and/or a couple more on the other. The margin of difference just wasn't so big that you can wholesale out most of the team for being wussies.
I don't want to argue with you in particular. It can't turn out well. I just think tonight was too much of a bad thing. The Spurs could have overcome it by playing better. But they shouldn't have to do it this often when playing the Mavs in the post-season. 19.3 fouls per game vs 28.25. That cost Tim a ring for his thumb.
This is what I've always wondered..
If the Spurs had another low-post player next to Tim, it would force Dirk to play defense inside the paint, where he's a liability..it would either lead to wasted energy or free points due to his lack of defense..
Scola obviously would have been that guy, but it's too late for that..hopefully Splitter is that guy next year..defending Dirk simply hasn't worked for this team, so it'll be interesting to see what will happen next year if the Spurs add a guy like Splitter(not an offensive juggernaut, but could at least go at Dirk, unlike anybody we currently have)..
Dejuan Blair's that type of player who can force Dirk to work on defense. True, he doesn't have any set low-post scoring moves yet as say Scola, but he's very active on the boards and the PnR scenario as well forces Dirk to move on his feet. He imploded w/ a 20/20 performance the last time the two teams played in the season.
Of course, his defense is a concern since he doesn't move well w/ his feet as Bonner nor McDyess do, and plus it wouldn't be logical to put Duncan on Dirk for the most part of the game.
Yeah the Spurs do need someone that doesn't go by the book, but just so everyone knows I'm not talking about trying to hurt Dirk. I just want him to be roughed up and played more physically. That clip of what Kenyon did is a good example of what I mean, but I'm not talking about going so far as to do the Bowen step under the jump shooter thing. Stephen Jackson in the GSW upset is a prime example of someone crowding Dirk and taking out his lower body from the equation.Funny...so you are admitting that you need another dirty player like bowen.
If someone is busting you up like Dirk was tonight, you've got to change something. With straight up defense - given the Spurs personnel - there really wasn't much more the Spurs could do. Pop resorted to fouling Dampier probably more so to break Dirk's rhythm than the the hack-a-strategy itself.
My main problem is Dirk's biggest concern out there was which finger he was going to point to the sky after lighting up another Spurs defender. In the regular season that's all well and good, but for the playoffs you have to make someone go through if they're going to torch you like that. MJ made the trek across the fire several times. Dirk won't be nearly as successful.
We've to try Ian oh him.
So you want the old rules back? Seriously? You know what would happen with Gino and Parker driving, huh?
The last season game Haywood/Damp not even tried hard to box out and get rebounds, dont overrate this game. Blair is a great talent but Dirk would just eat him alive and shoot all night over him or drive by him...
Don't breath on him otherwise he's on the FT line
Of course, that's why I stated in my last sentence Blair's defense against Dirk would be a big concern. All I was just pointing out was Blair's activity on the court would force Dirk to exert more energy on defense than say Bonner.
+1
And in all honesty, breaking out thug tactics is often a sign of desperation that's more likely to backfire than do any good.
I hardly ever call out the refs, if ever in the play-offs. Not even after the 06 series. If the Spurs have to face soft calls againt Dirk IN THE PLAY-OFFS, then i don't like our chances.
Last edited by Slippy; 04-19-2010 at 08:53 AM.
Getting physical isn't going to help matters.. this isn't 2007 anymore. The refs won't tolerate it. Bit there is something the spurs didn't try much last night .. doubleteams. The second Dirk touches the ball give him a hard double and force the ball out of his hands and see if any other mav steps up by hitting shots. Butler is the only other guy that really concerns me in that starting unit, so you don't double off him, so its prob Dampier/Haywood or Marion's man
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