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    when did Ian become a serious option? seriously, when?

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    Disagree. And that doesn't mean I like the idea of Bonner on Dirk. Ian on Dirk is pretty much a guaranteed trip to the free throw line.
    Bonner on Dirk is guaranteed 2 pts even without FTs.

    Ian has length and actually jumps. Dirk would not shoot over him so easily. Bonner is slow, short and doesn't even get his feet off the ground.

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    Bonner on Dirk is guaranteed 2 pts even without FTs
    That's still the preferable option compared to racking up fouls. It's not just the free throws Dirk would be getting by being able to draw fouls on Ian. It's the free throws the rest of the mavs would be getting by virtue of getting into the bonus.

    Ian has length and actually jumps. Dirk would not shoot over him so easily. Bonner is slow, short and doesn't even get his feet off the ground.
    I'm not worried about Dirk shooting over him. I'm worried about a simple up fake resulting in Ian leaping 3 feet into the air leaving Dirk free to decide whether he wants to waltz to the rim or get to the free throw line by jumping into him.

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    It's way too late to give Ian meaningful playing time.

    Saying that, Spurs have been eaten alive in the paint this year. Spurs' big men have been horrible in man to man defense and at protecting the rim. Spurs should have work at fixing that. Since they decided that Ian wasn't an option, they should have done some trades.

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    That's still the preferable option compared to racking up fouls. It's not just the free throws Dirk would be getting by being able to draw fouls on Ian. It's the free throws the rest of the mavs would be getting by virtue of getting into the bonus.
    this is already happening, with Ian or w/out.


    I'm not worried about Dirk shooting over him. I'm worried about a simple up fake resulting in Ian leaping 3 feet into the air leaving Dirk free to decide whether he wants to waltz to the rim or get to the free throw line by jumping into him.
    nice imagination. We have not seen this happen, so we don't really know for sure if that's what will happen. My point is, let's see what happens.

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    To all of a sudden play Ian is madness for Pop..Why would he play a player who has not been in the regular season rotation and all of a sudden place him in a 8-9 player rotation for the playoffs. We will be left wondering what could have been with this kid and if he does well with someone else next season, it could get ugly in here..

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    To all of a sudden play Ian is madness for Pop..Why would he play a player who has not been in the regular season rotation and all of a sudden place him in a 8-9 player rotation for the playoffs. We will be left wondering what could have been with this kid and if he does well with someone else next season, it could get ugly in here..
    Bonner on Dirk is madness. Hack-a-damp is madness. Playing Mason extended minutes is madness.

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    It's way too late to give Ian meaningful playing time.

    Saying that, Spurs have been eaten alive in the paint this year. Spurs' big men have been horrible in man to man defense and at protecting the rim. Spurs should have work at fixing that. Since they decided that Ian wasn't an option, they should have done some trades.
    Good call, Bruno. Your man, Camby is looking pretty spry since recovering from that ankle sprain. Much better than I would have ever imagined for a 37 year old.

    Everyone should have listened to you on Camby, he'd be helping alot right now if the spurs had acquired him..... good damn call there

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    this is already happening, with Ian or w/out.
    All the more reason not to compound the problem by foolishly letting Ian try to guard Dirk.

    nice imagination. We have not seen this happen, so we don't really know for sure if that's what will happen. My point is, let's see what happens.
    It's not imagination. It's the logical conclusion. The guy averaged 1.2 fouls in 6:47 minutes, most of those coming in garbage time against players nowhere close to being as good as Dirk Nowitzki is. The guy is a foul magnet against scrubs, why should anyone believe that he'd be anything different if asked to guard Dirk? Besides, if all it took to guard Dirk was being tall and athletic then Francisco Elson would still be on this team.

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    Dirk has made fools out of practically anyone Pop has thrown at him.

    Anyone have SJax's phone number?

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    nice imagination. We have not seen this happen, so we don't really know for sure if that's what will happen. My point is, let's see what happens.
    We don't need to see Ian against Dirk to know how Dirk acts when he gets a defender in the air. The same could be said about anybody who knows how to play basketball, who understands that you create an and-1 opportunity if you create contact mid-shot.

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    So what if you play Ian and put Tim on Dork? Sure, that means a lot more work for Tim, but also a lot mor work for Dork. With Bonner in Tim already has to do most of the defensive work, but if Ian plays against Haywood/Dampier he can take away their offensive rebounds/extra possesions.
    Also Tim won't get called for that many fouls on Dork.

    What you guys think?

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    So what if you play Ian and put Tim on Dork? Sure, that means a lot more work for Tim, but also a lot mor work for Dork. With Bonner in Tim already has to do most of the defensive work, but if Ian plays against Haywood/Dampier he can take away their offensive rebounds/extra possesions.
    Also Tim won't get called for that many fouls on Dork.

    What you guys think?
    I think it's risky to put the cornerstone of the team's offense and defense on a guy who (through skill or otherwise) is able to draw fouls seemingly at will. Beyond that, if Duncan is on Dirk, Dirk will draw him out of the paint, thus exposing the rim to slashers and bigs for easy, high-percentage shots.

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    Dirk has made fools out of practically anyone Pop has thrown at him.

    Anyone have SJax's phone number?
    Isn't he hurt, too?

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    Ian is an athlete, not a basketball player.

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    I think it's risky to put the cornerstone of the team's offense and defense on a guy who (through skill or otherwise) is able to draw fouls seemingly at will. Beyond that, if Duncan is on Dirk, Dirk will draw him out of the paint, thus exposing the rim to slashers and bigs for easy, high-percentage shots.
    You're right, it is risky. But letting Bonner defend him means 1.2million points per game for Nowitzki.
    Just give Ian a try to protect the rim. If it doesn't work well (either Tim getting called for too many fouls or Ian being unable to get the job done) switch back to status quo.
    I don't believe that Tim gets fouls for things Matt does get fouls for.

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    I'm not sure how it could be much worse. Everyone whines about how much Ian fouls, but the Spurs can't stop Dirk and can't keep from fouling him, and oh by the way, they can't get rebounds because they've got Keith Bogans playing power forward in stretches.

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    I'm not sure how it could be much worse. Everyone whines about how much Ian fouls, but the Spurs can't stop Dirk and can't keep from fouling him, and oh by the way, they can't get rebounds because they've got Keith Bogans playing power forward in stretches.
    But again: how much damage is Ian going to do to Dallas before he fouls out? Dice and Bonner rarely get in foul trouble, yet both got 4 last night while playing pretty staid defense.

    Ian, on the other hand, fouls very frequently (and on lesser players). So what's the benefit of giving the Mavs 12 points when we will very likely only get 2-6 back, along with a few rebounds before it's pine time for bonzo.

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    But again: how much damage is Ian going to do to Dallas before he fouls out? Dice and Bonner rarely get in foul trouble, yet both got 4 last night while playing pretty staid defense.

    Ian, on the other hand, fouls very frequently (and on lesser players). So what's the benefit of giving the Mavs 12 points when we will very likely only get 2-6 back, along with a few rebounds before it's pine time for bonzo.
    Bonner got called for standing near Dirk, and one of his fouls seemed to be because he dared to put his hand in Dirk's face while he was shooting. You can't do anything about that, but you can do something about everyone else. I'd have been perfectly happy with Ian playing in place of Mason or Bogans during the Spurs' smallball experiment in the second half that blew the game open. Ian's not going to do more damage than smallball does.

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    just funny how many people can see the future of games and what a player will and will not do. what can it hurt to play the guy for a few just to shake things up and see if he "can" be affective. I've been for playing Ian this season. too bad he really didnt get the chance to show if he could play consistant or not.

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    Ian's not going to do more damage than smallball does.
    Yeah, but it's not one or the other. Small ball has got to get the kibosh, but that doesn't mean Ian should, therefore, play.

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    just funny how many people can see the future of games and what a player will and will not do. what can it hurt to play the guy for a few just to shake things up and see if he "can" be affective. I've been for playing Ian this season. too bad he really didnt get the chance to show if he could play consistant or not.
    Yeah, it's really too late to play him, but the Spurs haven't come close to shoring up any problems that everyone knew they had last season when Dallas kicked the out of them.

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    Ian is not the answer and would be an act of desperation. He would only be useful if we were playing a team with a big who had a post game and he could help keep others from foul trouble.

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    I'm as big a Ian fan as there is on this board.

    But Ian isn't near the top of my wishlist for adjustments.

    Blair getting more time would be 1.

    Mason getting zero minutes no matter the cir stances would be 1a.

    I'd rather see both of those before looking to Ian.

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    Ian is not the answer and would be an act of desperation. He would only be useful if we were playing a team with a big who had a post game and he could help keep others from foul trouble.
    Desparation? Since Pop has already resorted to "hack-a-damp", that's a clear indication that he's already desparate. With the limitations and matchup issues they already have with the Mavs, shaking up the lineup and inserting some new players (Temple, Blair, Mahinmi) couldn't be any worse than what we're seeing out of the current role players.

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