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I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs lose this series again because of these ing zebras. If the Mavs beat the Spurs, I still don't see them hoisting the LOB this June, unless Noringski shoots 30 FT a game
I know it's still painful after four years. Going to your mom son and ask for a good tap in the back
I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs lose this series again because of these ing zebras. If the Mavs beat the Spurs, I still don't see them hoisting the LOB this June, unless Noringski shoots 30 FT a game
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If its Nowitszki vs Lebron in the finals Dirk will suddenly go from "major superstar" to 3rd class citizen overnight.
He'll have a done his job for the nba though (like a good little puppet), which is to eliminate the spurs and any chance of foiling the grand master plan.
Im not so sure if the focus should be freethrow disparity. For me, it's the protection Dirk is getting . If they going to call soft calls that have no place in the play-offs then you have to call it the same for the other team. For example Bonner fighting for posi on the high post against Dirk . Tim was doing it all night on the low post. For every slight bump on Dirk, Manu and Tony were getting those all night some even in the act of shooting. Results were no-calls. For every hand check foul or fingernail foul that gave Dirk the bonus, our big three were having the ball knocked out of their hands all night. When they were in fact called fouls did you all notice how Dallas players had no complaints.
What bugs me the most . I thought Dice and Bonner played about as good a defense that you can humanly and legally play in defending Dirk . The guy just made tough shot after tough shot . That should of been the story of the game but instead to see constant and1's or bail-outs that even after replays appeared to be no-calls was just wrong. More amazing , for a guy that was fouled many times as Dirk was they seemed to have zero effect on his shot.
Now im not saying i want this series to be called tightly because it slows the game down and puts the focus on the refs. Downright favouritism for one player , superstar treatment , what-ever you want to call it. They all make for an ugly spectacle of the game. It also leaves the games/series tainted. Going against everything great about basketball. That it's played on a level playing field, in this case a level court. The calls have to consistent on every player . Hopefully the NBA is sending out a memo out to the refs - this the play-offs. Let the men play and tough it out.
What appears to you to be "no-calls" or just "wrong" were in fact legitimate fouls. That's how the league works nowadays and has worked for 3 years now... the offensive player gets all the benefits. Nowitski is simply taking full advantage of how the league officiates nowadays.
The spurs problems were turnovers mostly. Duncan got the ball knocked out of his hands multiple times because he sat there indecisively for seconds at a time with the ball directly in front of him.. of course Dampier is going to knock it away if you make it that easy...Parker kept fumbling/losing the ball and Ginobili just threw it away to the other team several times.
Bonner ... I can't believe your trying to make an argument there. Dude has been getting rung up for much less all season long against scrubs. You really think he's going to be allowed to shove and push for post position practically out to the 3pt line in the playoffs... against Dirk Nowitski? Please....just quit being a pansy and ing you sound pathetic.
Lets see if Dirk can hit 85% again this series.
If he can't yoru boys might be in trouble.
I doubt the Spurs will shoot 50 percent from the field again either...
Actually, the facts dont back up your statement. Dirk was 11th in the league in FT attempts per game this season (7 per game, the leaders averaged 10 per game)...while he was 6th in FG attempts per game
again dont let the facts get in your way though
Last edited by ZB 512; 04-20-2010 at 05:31 AM.
Legit fouls because that's how the league works nowa-days? Superstar treatment has been part of the NBA for a lot longer than that. Dirk last night was the only beneficiary. No-calls have also been part of the NBA for an eternity... IF the league called every legit foul in a technical sense , the game would boil down to a free-throw contest and everyone would foul out. it doesn't work that way .
My point was , if you going to favour one player and not afford that same treatment to others, then it's wrong. Who cares if it's been happening for three years. Share those benifits or go back to how it should be . A fair contest of basketball.
Yes lets focus only on the offense. Turn-overs. Thanks for stating the obvious. They sure didn't help. Wrong thread though. This is about the tone being set on defense by refs.The spurs problems were turnovers mostly. Duncan got the ball knocked out of his hands multiple times because he sat there indecisively for seconds at a time with the ball directly in front of him.. of course Dampier is going to knock it away if you make it that easy...Parker kept fumbling/losing the ball and Ginobili just threw it away to the other team several times.
Tony and Manu missed out on a lot of calls that to you appeared to be from their own doing. If you noticed Dirk with legit fouls , then should of seen the same "legit"calls not going the Spurs way. Funny that? Must be hard for you to focus with Mason used as a fouling machine mixed in with those un-wise moments.
[QUOTE][Bonner ... I can't believe your trying to make an argument there. Dude has been getting rung up for much less all season long against scrubs. You really think he's going to be allowed to shove and push for post position practically out to the 3pt line in the playoffs... against Dirk Nowitski? Please....just quit being a pansy and ing you sound pathetic/QUOTE]
I just realized im having a discussion with an NBA fanboy. Bonner defended Dirk as well as any-one could expect from him but you saw different.
That's exactly my beef . I think the refs from last night's game were seeing the game exactly the same way you see it. For some, labels and reps is all that matters. Suckers like you fall for it every day.
Which of the 6 shooting fouls for Dirk were BS? I keep asking Spurs fans for examples and no one will provide any. How many FTs should Dirk have had? What was an acceptable number from en led Spurs fans?
yea Bowen and the rest of the Spurs were not physical at all in defending Dirk and Dirk was not aggressive or attacking on offense at all [/sarcasm]
Like I said, Duncan shot more free throws than Dirk in that series. That is a fact. Yet you still complain, because the Spurs lost.
Watch game 3.
Apparently TP, Duncan and Manu got mugged all game long in the paint but curiously you won't find examples of that either.
It's like that annoying little brother that cries to mommy that big brother hit him when all big brother did was was look at him funny.
What Bowen is playing? Hurray! You have got to admit though, the Spurs were going to the basket, yet they went to the line less than the pink ponies.
complaining about a free throw disparity of 20 when 12 are intentionally given is absurd.
I'm not going to blame the loss on the refs, it is what it is, but I believe Mavs fans, who act so arrogantly right now, will be crying about officiating very soon, whether against the Spurs, or in a later round if they win the series. It has happened before.
Predictably and once again conveniently for the league Nowitski is doing the dirty work for the nba (eliminating the spurs) and if successful he'll go back to being a nobody in the league against the Carmelos/Kobes/Lebrons/Wade/Shaq (guys who they really promote).
It'll be like 2006 all over again.
Most of the time, I'm convinced that many Mavs fans believe that one free throw for the Spurs is too many free throws for the Spurs. And it is ironic to see the fanbase that is most vocal about the egregiousness of biased officiating rally to the defense of the officials when it is not their ox that's being gored. If it was Ginobili shooting almost as many free throws than the entire Mavericks roster, I suspect there would be a great deal of unhappiness coming out of Dallas about that.
With that said, however, what was most problematic for the Spurs on Sunday was the fact that they committed an absurd number of shooting fouls -- fouls that occurred before the Mavs even got the Spurs into the penalty. This has probably been fleshed out elsewhere, so forgive the redundancy. But of the Mavs earned free throws (that is, discounting the 6 that Dampier got in the latter part of the third quarter), almost 2/3 of the FTA that the Mavs got came before the Spurs were in the penalty.
My numbers are rough -- I frankly don't have time to do this precisely -- the Spurs conceded the following numbers of FTA in pre-penalty situations:
1st quarter -- 6 free throws (out of 7); Spurs go into penalty at 24.3
2nd quarter -- 1 free throw (out of 5); Spurs go into penalty at 2:54
3rd quarter -- 4 free throws (out of 9 non-Dampier FTA); Spurs go into penalty at 4:59
4th quarter -- 6 free throws (out of 6 FTA)
Subtracting out the 6 Hack-a-Damp FTA, 17 out of the 28 Mavs FTA weren't the consequence of the Mavs being in the bonus. In Game 1 the Spurs were whistled for 28 total fouls. Taking out 2 offensive fouls (one each on Hill and Jefferson) and 3 intentional fouls on Dampier, the Spurs committed 23 fouls in the game. Of those 9 ended up being shooting fouls that had nothing to do with the bonus. That suggests to me that the Mavs were more aggressive and forced fouls in shooting situations. Aggressive teams tend to get whistles and that can frequently account for disparities in FTA.
I realize that Spurs fans will say that some of those calls were illegitimate, but it does appear that the officials were calling basically the same game all night and the Spurs either really didn't do much to adjust or were unable to defend without fouling. (The latter strikes me as being pretty realistic, since this team hasn't exactly been a defensive stalwart throughout the 2009-10 season.)
More importantly, it says to me that when the Mavs made late-quarter runs in the 2nd and 3rd, it wasn't on the strength of free throws. That's troubling and if the Spurs don't fix it, 2010 will just be a repeat of 2009.
You not even close to what he did. He hit tough jumpshots with hand in face.
. The guy was hitting high arcing , left and right fade-aways all night. He hardly attacked the rim. The one time he flailed his arms
was a no-call and the shot went in. Stop buying into the headlines and try watching the game on both ends.
Watch Manu run around all game trying to free himself up. He has his progress impeded a bunch of times . Some in-advertant bumps that only Manu draws.Still waiting for you to name a few "legit" calls that didn't go Manu and TP's way.
That's a legit call in your book, a no-call in mine. Tony as soon as he got on the court was hacked driving to the rim. Did you think he was complaining for nothing? Later on with the shot clock running down Tony takes a jumper from right baseline where he's bodied up in motion of shooting. In Dirk's world that's a foul. In the play-offs that's a no-call that i can live with as long as it's called consistent for both teams.
You wont get it how-ever . You see the game differently to many here . Like ROger Mason running around a screen that he un-wsiely created for himself, instead of fighting through "air" to get to a wide-open KIDD.
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[QUOTE][Hey I don't like it either (how the refs treat Bonner) but its a fact that isn't going away so the spurs might as well come to grips with the reality of it and quit expecting it to change. And quite honestly Bonner's defense on that particular play was way over the top aggressive and just begging for a foul to be called /QUOTE]
Read Ludden's article . That was Dirk letting the refs know i don't like the attention im getting from Matt Bonner. In any other play-off game not involving Dirk that's a no-call. Tim's fighting it out just as hard down low with no bailout. In the play-offs, thats the norm. As long as it goes both ways.
Agreed with you on the more Hands and less lateral Quickness..... but Did You Watch The Game and see The Phantom Calls The refs were Making???? I mean Come on..... Stevie Wonder Could See That Game was Reffed Horrible.
If the Spurs want to win they need to catch the basketball and not have stupid unforced turnovers. We lost the game because of the turnovers and weak play by RJ and Hill, not the free throw line.
I agree with you Partially..... but it is very Hard to get any type of Momentum goin in a Game, when you cant even play aggressive..... the Mavs could play aggressive, but when we tried to match there intensity, the whistle blew damn near everytime....I would like to see more from Hill, and RJ, and A few Less Turnovers.... but The refs Controlled Game 1 without a Doubt... All I want Is A Fair Reffed Game... dont favor any team, and let the best Team win...
[QUOTE=Slippy;4257644]You not even close to what he did. He hit tough jumpshots with hand in face.
. The guy was hitting high arcing , left and right fade-aways all night. He hardly attacked the rim. The one time he flailed his arms
was a no-call and the shot went in. Stop buying into the headlines and try watching the game on both ends.
Yet the spurs kept reaching in and bumping his arm and body on every jumpshot he took. And when they didn't he was initiating the contact which is the smart thing to do because of how the game is reffed nowadays with the offensive player recieving all the benefits. You can whine about it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that he is just making the smart basketball plays
Watch Manu run around all game trying to free himself up. He has his progress impeded a bunch of times . Some in-advertant bumps that only Manu draws.
That's a legit call in your book, a no-call in mine. Tony as soon as he got on the court was hacked driving to the rim. Did you think he was complaining for nothing? Later on with the shot clock running down Tony takes a jumper from right baseline where he's bodied up in motion of shooting. In Dirk's world that's a foul. In the play-offs that's a no-call that i can live with as long as it's called consistent for both teams.
Wow, somebody got bumped in a playoff game? Get out!
You wont get it how-ever . You see the game differently to many here . Like ROger Mason running around a screen that he un-wsiely created for himself, instead of fighting through "air" to get to a wide-open KIDD.
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Doesn't matter how bad Roger's decision was. As soon as Dirk's defender (Bogans I guess it was) saw Roger going under the screen he's gotta recognize and get a hand in Kidd's face
If it was Dice, I'd agree you might have a point. But this is Matt Bonner were talking about. Dude has routinely been singled out all year long as the ref's personal whipping boy for trying to play even passable defense. Expecting that to suddenly change in the playoffs is silly. It's one of the reasons I wanted to ship his ass out and bring in a guy like Tyrus Thomas because he becomes a liability in crucial situations.[Hey I don't like it either (how the refs treat Bonner) but its a fact that isn't going away so the spurs might as well come to grips with the reality of it and quit expecting it to change. And quite honestly Bonner's defense on that particular play was way over the top aggressive and just begging for a foul to be called /QUOTE]
Read Ludden's article . That was Dirk letting the refs know i don't like the attention im getting from Matt Bonner. In any other play-off game not involving Dirk that's a no-call. Tim's fighting it out just as hard down low with no bailout. In the play-offs, thats the norm. As long as it goes both ways.
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