No, he wasn't. KG end up third in MVP voting that year. And before you pull the finals MVP card let me tell you that Parker won finals MVP over Duncan in 2007.
I can easily see Dirk playing in this seasons level for the next 2 years.Actually I'm pretty confident to bet on this.
Career regular season average stats??I don't give many attention to them(btw they are set,it isn't easy to change your stats dramatically in 3-4 years).
In the playoffs their stats are pretty even.
All I want to say is that if Dirk wins a ring the next couple of seasons,he's automatically > than Barkley.
I think it's crazy to say it's not even close, especially considering the 93 Suns played before the 3 point line became the huge weapon it is today. Back then they had 2 guys who could shoot the 3. The 06 Mavs had 5.
tbh that's one thing you have to consider. Before the 3 point line shrank and everybody started bombing from behind the arc, the 3 was a little used weapon. There was generally one or two specialists on every team and that was it. Nowadays it's almost a requirement that 4 or more guys on the team can hit the shot at a fairly consistent clip. tbh I think the 05 Suns would curbstomp the 92 Suns. No way they could handle that fast of a pace and that barrage of 3 pointers.
Back to the 06 mavs, I don't see anybody coming close to being able to stop Dirk, I see Devin Harris neutralizing KJ's scoring offense much like he did to Parker, I see Josh Howard handling Majerle, and I see Damp/Diop doing a halfway decent job on Barkley much like they did against Duncan.
Not saying the 06 Mavs were better, not saying that at all, but to act like they wouldn't stand a chance against them is stupidity and homerism, brah.
It was Pierces team.
Dirt is fine. They call him "dirty" anyway. Keep yucking it up...
No, it wasn't, ask any Celtics fan.
Thats the impression I got from watching the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong.
imo:
When comparing the Alpha dog and side kick on each team:
1993 Barkley > 2006 Dirk (not by a large margin but by enough of a margin to mention it)
Kevin Johnson > Jason Terry (I don't there's much anyone could do to dispute this)
Supporting cast at SG/SF
Majerle + Ceballos + Ainge + Dumas > Howard + Daniels + Stackhouse + Griffin
Supporting cast at C:
Mark West + Oliver Miller = Dampier + Diop
There was no where for me to include Harris or Chambers. I figured the two wouldn't make a huge difference and cancel each other out.
I actually do not think barkley would be half the player he was without the illegal defense rules. You had to sit there and let him dislodge the defender for 20 seconds and then shoot it. Couldn't double worth a crap. I hated the way he and shaq played, it completely turned me off basketball. It was a wrestling match and still is when the offense player is allowed to foul the defensive guy to get a better shot.
i'm sure you've done great research to come to this conclusion.
ask any Celtics fan other than your KG- sucking ass buddy mogrovejo, and then see what response you get.
it wasn't mogro apparently. endrity already raped him on that.
ask any Celtics fan other than your KG- sucking ass buddy mogrovejo, and then see what response you get.
I know the answer from almost all the Celtics fans of this forum and from Bill Simmons.
ask any Celtics fan other than your KG- sucking ass buddy mogrovejo, and then see what response you get.
I guess you could say KG and Pierce were equally important to that team, but I thought Pierce was the more important of the two. just imo
When it came time to win a championship, KG was bricking baseline jumpers and trying his damnedest to avoid ever having the ball in his hands. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen were getting done.
Maybe it was all the heart and soul KG passed on to them before that point. That propelled them to win a le as Garnett went off in search of his testicles.
The difference between Dirk's '06 Mavs and Barkley's '93 Suns is Phoenix had to deal with TWO superstar swingmen (Jordan and Pippen) while Dirk's Mavs only had to deal with one (Wade).
Pippen damn near averaged a triple-double in the '93 Finals with 21ppg, 9 rebs, 8 assists, and 2 steals. I don't think Miami had a 2nd player that was giving them kind of production.
I don't see anyone coming close to stopping Barkley
What about KJ's passing offense? You can't put Parker in the same breath as KJ, furthermore it's asinine to come to the conclusion being able to neutralize Parker is the same as being to neutralize KJ.
I see them cancelling each other out.
If you're referring to the series where Duncan averaged well over 30 points and basically scored at will, all the while playing through plantar fascitis, then yeah, I see Damp/Diop doing the halfway decent job guarding Barkley the way they guarded Duncan.
It's not homerism as much as it's my belief the NBA had one of its weakest years in 2006 and that 1993 was a way stronger year.
Yeah and I remember Diop stuffing Duncan's biggest shot of the series right back in his face.
Sorry, but in the era where the 3 pointer has become an essential part of surviving in the NBA, rather than the occasional convenience that it used to be, you're insane to think a team that has only 2 decent 3-point shooters on it could curbstomp a team that has 5.
My thoughts:
KG > Pierce on '08 team and career wise, although Pierce was the #1 offensive option in the playoffs and KG shot poorly in the Finals.
Mavs in 2006 should've won the le if not for the worst call in the history of sports, but were not a very dominant team and probably would be remembered as one of the weaker le teams of all time.
I was a 4 YO in '93 and cant comment on the Suns
Take Tim Duncan, then remove his skills and moves in the post and make him simply try to overpower people all the time. Then remove some basketball IQ and the ability to calmly lead his team. Then shrink him by over half a foot.
Don't wanna go all Bill Russell Diop here, but Diop/Damp would average 8+ blocks a game on Barkley.
As a Celtics fan, I call that Pierce's team, but only due to seniority. I think it was one of the rare teams where two leaders shared the load relatively equally: Pierce on offense, KG on defense. You could argue that KG was then the leader because the D is what won us the le.
I'm sentimental towards PP though, and refuse to give another player top billing over him.
Sir Charles by a mile.
So 1 block makes it so Diop and Dampier did a "halfway decent" job on Duncan when the monster series Duncan had was the only thing keeping SA in it?
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Funny you neglect to mention how much stronger Barkley is than Duncan or how athletic Barkley was for his size. Also, maybe he isn't as smart as Duncan, but Barkley had a pretty high basketball IQ.
That makes tons of sense. Barkley was able to put up huge numbers on taller 7 footers his entire career, but somehow, some way, Diop and Dampier would have been able to expose his lack of height the way David Robinson couldn't.
Even without the usage of 3 pointers, the 1993 Suns were a more efficient offense than the 2006 Mavericks.
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