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I should add that the Spurs committed 9 shooting fouls before going into the penalty and only 1 of those was an and-1.
Mavs were pretty good at mixing shooting jumpers and going to the rim. Especially in the fourth quarter, if I recall correctly, and the Spurs' defense didn't have an answer for that.
The Spurs will have to find a way to penetrate more. Our guards and RJ are able to do that, and if it doesn't happen, there won't be many FT for us - and no four wins in this series as well.
I should add that the Spurs committed 9 shooting fouls before going into the penalty and only 1 of those was an and-1.
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Yet the spurs kept reaching in and bumping his arm and body on every jumpshot he took. And when they didn't he was initiating the contact which is the smart thing to do because of how the game is reffed nowadays with the offensive player recieving all the benefits. You can whine about it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that he is just making the smart basketball plays
still not close. the well will dry up with those fadeaways . You've seen nothing yet with Dirk initiating contact.
\Wow, somebody got bumped in a playoff game? Get out!
there you go, you do get it. It happens, it 's the play-offs.
Doesn't matter how bad Roger's decision was. As soon as Dirk's defender (Bogans I guess it was) saw Roger going under the screen he's gotta recognize and get a hand in Kidd's face
you are full of it. Try watching the game again and tell me how in the you expected Bogans to jump over Nowtizki a handful of feet to get to KIDD.
. The only thing Bogans needs to recognize is what a meathead mason is at defending .
Nowitzki scored well above his average, as did Butler. If Terry is around his average next game, chances are these two will regress, so it all evens out.
Here's a fact: Duncan plays in the low post and often goes into contact. Nowitzki plays at the pinch post and often goes away from contact.
Duncan earns his free throws the way you're supposed to earn them; Nowitzki doesn't. Yet inexplicably and mysteriously, he's amongst the league leaders annually. He shouldn't have shot anywhere near the amount Duncan did in that series. That he was even close made no sense.
Butler's 8-19 was hardly a great game. You think his percentage will drop merely because Terry's might go up?
Here's a fact: Duncan plays in the low post and often goes into contact. Nowitzki plays at the pinch post and often goes away from contact.
Duncan earns his free throws the way you're supposed to earn them; Nowitzki doesn't. Yet inexplicably and mysteriously, he's amongst the league leaders annually. He shouldn't have shot anywhere near the amount Duncan did in that series. That he was even close made no sense.
Maybe Bonner should quit love-tapping the forearm. And-one, mutha a.
Dude a foul is a foul as pussy as it might be which even I agree that some of those fouls, while still fouls, were "soft fouls". Hate on Dirk and the Mavs all you want but nothing is fixed or rigged for them to get calls against the Spurs. It is ty officiating and it's the dumbass zebras that can't call right. If only BOTH teams could get the same calls...A pussy tap on one end resulting in FT's should be called on the other end as well but it is what it is.
It's not the percentage, it's the points. It's unlikely he averages 22 ppg in this series.
On one of the fouls, Nowitzki bumped his head into Bonner's arm twice and yet Bonner was called for a foul. If Nowitzki is going to continue to get calls like that, the Spurs aren't winning this series. These teams are close enough that a couple of those per game could easily make the difference in a couple of games and swing the series.
MavsDynasty, I agree it's not "rigged against the Spurs", because they're no longer relevant enough to even be in that position. In '06, they were. I strongly believe that the league wanted them out before they made the finals again (they had to have had enough of the low ratings) and they knew that the Mavs were the last chance at that happening. Duncan, at that time the best player in the league, getting a sixth foul for Nowitzki stepping on his foot? Nowitzki making 3 shots yet scoring 27 points (on 24 free throws) in a game? These things went beyond plain old bad officiating.
From an unbiased perspective, do you think the '06 Mavs were more fun to watch than the '06 Suns?
I see your angle, but that's irrelevant. Everyone knew in '06 either the Spurs or the Mavs were coming out of the West. If the Suns couldn't beat the Spurs with Stoudemire (who's a tougher match-up for them than Nowitzki), what makes you think they'd have even been compe ive without him? The Mavs were the league's only hope at not having the Spurs reach the finals again.
People bite on Dirk's pump fakes constantly. If you think that a go to scorer who averages the 6th most FG attempts a game cant pump fake a player out of his shoes an average of 3 or 4 shots a game, and if you dont think he gets banged around a lot while isolating at the elbow or free throw line, then your opinion is a travesty.
You dont only get fouled in the low post, or driving to the lane. However, If you dont think Dirk tries to drive past defenders, then you must not have watched him play much or you just cant see it because of your Spurs glasses. Dirk could drive past a defender 10 times in a game and Spurs fans would still say "OMG he's only a jump shooter".
The leaders in FT attempts average 10 a game (including Durant who has a similar game to Dirk's but posts up less and shoots more threes). Dirk averages 7 FT attempts a game as one of the most difficult match ups in the league. Considering how many shots Dirk takes and how physical and aggressive most teams are in their strategy in defending Dirk, an average of 7 FTs a game is about right, if not a little low compared to other go to scorers (also remember that Dirk is the teams best FT shooter and is therefore the designated FT shooter in technical foul situations. They also get the ball to him in intentional foul situations which adds to his FTs as well).
Dirk had more FG attempts than Duncan in that series also and Duncan still shot more free throwsHe shouldn't have shot anywhere near the amount Duncan did in that series. That he was even close made no sense.
You dont understand basketball if you think you only get fouled 5 feet from the basket...but anyway, Dirk constantly dribble drove the ball and attacked from all over the court in that series. They had to respect his drives, which in turn made it difficult for the Spurs to deal with 7697858965 pump fakes isolating in the high post....and if you dont think the Spurs were physical in defending him then you are delusional with revisionist memory.
Spurs nation wasnt used to seeing the officiating "close" on both sides or another team ever getting the FT advantage. That's probably why many Spurs fans still feel "en led".
Last edited by ZB 512; 04-20-2010 at 08:47 PM.
Please stop acting like Dirk gets hit more than Tim.
Just another idiot who can't read. I never said any of this. What I said was the way Nowitzki generally draws free throws defies logic. You're supposed to go into contact; he goes away from it. Can you draw them another way? Absolutely. But not at the rate he does. Why do you think when a team isn't getting to the line the coach says "drive the ball, stop settling for jump shots, make the official make a decision"? They don't say "stand at the pinch post/elbows and shoot fade and fall away jumpers". I don't expect you to apologize for it, but I have no idea why Mavs fans argue this.
When you have to respect a player's ability to drive past you, it's tough to deal with 966785678587 pump fakes and spins isolating in the high post at the elbow and free throw line. It's a similar thing with Kobe Bryant when it comes to the pump fakes and dribble drives.
You act like you've never watched Dirk play. He's one of the toughest matchups in the league because he can score from anywhere on the court, in a plethora of ways, including driving the lane. For example, when Pop put Bogans on Dirk the other night, he did that mainly to keep Dirk from being able to drive. That is usually the intention when coaches put smaller, quicker players on Dirk.
So then Ginobili should shoot 100 FT's because he has one of the most impressive head fakes in the game. Not to mention he forces his way to the rim.
You should consider Ginobili's field goal attempts. He doesnt have as many FGAs but Manu does get fouled on a similar percentage of his shots.
I'm not disputing any of this, but this doesn't take away the fact that Nowitzki draws an inordinate amount of calls in a way that defies logic. Why argue? I have no problem admitting that Bowen blatantly fouled James at the end of game three of the '07 finals. Or that Mason jumped on Dampier's back in game one, yet somehow wasn't called for a foul. It's not like you admitting it means he's not going to continue to get those calls. Take off the rose colored glasses.
The officiating is an absolute joke. Never won a thing Nowitzki digs his head into Bonner twice, falls away and get's rewarded with a call, but all-time great Duncan get's blatantly hammered on a drive and can't get a call.
LOL Mavs
LOL Dirk the Whiplash No ki
There is a whole thread on this in the NBA section. It's simply labeled Dirk. I and a few others have spent all day there today, and I think some interesting conclusions have been found. You'd all be well advised to have a thorough look.
Here is the thing: Duncan IS a post player playing in the post.
Dirk plays outside like a guard or a wing. He catches the ball 17-20ft away from the basket and almost always get a ellbow hammered in his back pushing him offbalance.
If Parker or Gino would catch a ball near there and getting such ellbows in the back pushing them the whole GDT would go berserker screaming for the foul.
And yet Dirk not even get THIS calls (or barely) when he just catched the ball far outside. He gets the calls like the pic up when the defender touches his shotting arm and sometimes when the defender used both arms (Bonner did it like every 2nd time).
Dont compare the calls of Duncan with Dirks when he is outside, compare them with the calls of Parker and Gino. I dont see Gino getting ellbowed in the back constantly having the ball...
Last edited by sefant77; 04-20-2010 at 09:54 PM.
So you are saying the closer you play to the basket, the more you are allowed to get hit without a call?
ZB 512, your not really getting it.
Dirk's FTA/FGA ratio for his career is 6.6/16.9. (39% for reference)
In 05/06 it was 7.0/18.2.
In 09/10 it was 7.2/18.5.
In the regular season
against the spurs 05/06 8/18, in the playoffs against the spurs
against the spurs 09/10 7/26
in the 05/06 playoff series, 11.4/15.7 (73%). Overall in playoffs (including the spurs data) he was 9.9/18.2 (9.3/19.3 w/o the Spurs).
In 09/10 the playoffs to date, he's 12/14.
In the 05/06 playoff series, and the current one to date, he, and the rest of the mavericks by the by, sticks out like a sore thumb compared to their career averages, their averages that year, their averages playing against the spurs that year, and their averages against other playoff opponents... it says to me, the whole tone of the officiating changes for that series.
Worse if was at both ends, the spurs perimeter players should see the same inflation; you'd think Ginobili, for example, would have his FT's go through the roof as well. Career 4.8/10.6. (45%)
05/06 regular season 5.5/10.3.
09/10 regular season 4.7/12 (yeah, he's been driving less this season, particularly early on...).
Against the Mavs,
05/06 regular season 8.67/12,
09/10 regular season 1/28 (yeah, this is a bit of an outlier, he didn't play the last game against you, only 7.5 minutes in the 2nd game against Dallas, and really was jumpshooting a LOT the other 2 times...)....
05/06 playoffs 8.6/12.9
09/10 playoffs so far 3/17
Those aren't out of line with his regular seasons against the Mavs, and not too bad on his career. The tone of the officiating only changes at one end of the court...
This is why Spurs fans get really pissed off about series against Dallas. It's like we're suddenly playing by FIBA rules rather than NBA rules.
Pushed, sure. Duncan play Damp way more physical than Gino can play Terry. Normal.
What i wanted to say, its weird to see when Dirk plays outside like a guard because during the position fight players can still play him like in the post. You dont see that with Durant etc.
Bull . If it is a foul on the perimeter (a push or contact), it is a foul down low.
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