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    So no one has a principled argument against this? Will complying with this law even be a noticeable burden for candidates?

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    But he has already proven it. Why do it again?
    Why is it so important that Obama not have to prove it again if he's already proven it once? It's not like this would cause Obama any kind of an inconvienence. Some campaign worker of his would be able to fill out all the paperwork in 15 minutes. If even that long.

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    Obama likes playing games. 1 term prez.

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    Why is it so important that Obama not have to prove it again if he's already proven it once? It's not like this would cause Obama any kind of an inconvienence. Some campaign worker of his would be able to fill out all the paperwork in 15 minutes. If even that long.
    because he has already proved it.

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    Obama likes playing games. 1 term prez.
    no dummy the game is passing stupid legislation about birth certificates.

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    because he has already proved it.
    Then he'd have absolutely nothing to worry about were he required to prove it again just like every other candidate wanting to be on the Arizona ballot would be required to. Especially considering how little effort on his part would be required. So there's no legitimacy to opposing the bill on those grounds.

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    Still waiting for a principled argument against this . . .

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    Then he'd have absolutely nothing to worry about were he required to prove it again just like every other candidate wanting to be on the Arizona ballot would be required to. Especially considering how little effort on his part would be required. So there's no legitimacy to opposing the bill on those grounds.
    what could change in 4 yrs?

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    what could change in 4 yrs?
    With regards to where Obama was born, nothing. Which is exactly why your position on this topic is so absurd.

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    With regards to where Obama was born, nothing. Which is exactly why your position on this topic is so absurd.
    so it hasn't changed and you want him to show it again...got it. Great position deep thinker..

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    Still waiting for a principled argument against this . . .
    I just don't know how a state can impose it's own special requirements for a federal office. I thought the "Birthers" were big on the Cons ution. This would appear to run afoul of the Cons ution.

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    I just don't know how a state can impose it's own special requirements for a federal office. I thought the "Birthers" were big on the Cons ution. This would appear to run afoul of the Cons ution.
    no they are strict consitutionalists.. well most of the time anyways..

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    Still waiting for a principled argument against this . . .
    Is it not reasonable to expect a candidate's citizenship to be established in the nomination process? Is it reasonable to add an additional, likely redundant, step?

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    So no one has a principled argument against this? Will complying with this law even be a noticeable burden for candidates?
    I would think not, because presumably Federal authorities vet Presidential candidates too. It's a straight reduplication of regulatory function, bureaucratic piling on, if you will.

    What warrants the reduplication? Has Federal vetting of candidates been shown to be unreliable or untrustworthy in some way?

    In other words, perhaps there is some good reason no state has yet enacted such a law. Namely, because another government en y already does that job.

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    Still waiting for a principled argument against this . . .
    AZ's got bigger fish to fry than wasting time and catching from everyone simply to have one of Obama's aids fill out 15 minutes of paperwork. I'm amazed out how childish these AZ politicians are, they'd never have pulled this if McCain was President. How often does AZ vote for a Democrat President anyway? These losers wouldn't raise a stink if their side won.

    They're cowards, just like everyone else that suddenly woke up and smelt "the convenient portions" of the Cons ution and Bill of Rights. Total phonies. It'd be much easier and honest if they simply passed a law saying they will excluse Obama or anyone suspected of being a socialist. Get straight up into it instead of pulling your out hoping to fall into something.

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    Principled argument #1: this a solution in search of a problem.

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    Principled argument #2: it is reduplicative.

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    so it hasn't changed and you want him to show it again...got it.
    I want all candidates for elected office to prove they're eligible to hold the office they're seeking. You're the one who wants to make this about Obama.

    Great position deep thinker..
    May you rest easy at night knowing that no one will ever accuse you of being a deep thinker.

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    no dummy the game is passing stupid legislation about birth certificates.
    How dare a business or government ask for such a thing, dummy!!!!!!!!!

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    AZ's got bigger fish to fry than wasting time and catching from everyone simply to have one of Obama's aids fill out 15 minutes of paperwork. I'm amazed out how childish these AZ politicians are, they'd never have pulled this if McCain was President. How often does AZ vote for a Democrat President anyway? These losers wouldn't raise a stink if their side won.

    They're cowards, just like everyone else that suddenly woke up and smelt "the convenient portions" of the Cons ution and Bill of Rights. Total phonies. It'd be much easier and honest if they simply passed a law saying they will excluse Obama or anyone suspected of being a socialist. Get straight up into it instead of pulling your out hoping to fall into something.
    Excluse: \iks-klüs
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    To prevent or restrict the entrance of

    To bar from participation, consideration, or inclusion by dismissal.


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    I want all candidates for elected office to prove they're eligible to hold the office they're seeking. You're the one who wants to make this about Obama.



    May you rest easy at night knowing that no one will ever accuse you of being a deep thinker.
    So then you should be satisfied that has ALREADY shown it. You make this about Obama by wanting him to show it AGAIN.

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    Principled argument #1: this a solution in search of a problem.
    Perhaps, but when has that ever stopped government before?

    Principled argument #2: it is reduplicative.
    To what?

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    I would think not, because presumably Federal authorities vet Presidential candidates too. It's a straight reduplication of regulatory function, bureaucratic piling on, if you will.

    What warrants the reduplication? Has Federal vetting of candidates been shown to be unreliable or untrustworthy in some way?

    In other words, is there some good reason no state has yet enacted such a law?
    Presidential elections are basically 51 separate elections (administered by the 50 states + DC). There is not, to my knowledge, any federal vetting of candidates for cons utional eligibility.

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    So then you should be satisfied that has ALREADY shown it.
    I'm 100% completely and absolutely satisfied that Obama has proven his American citizenship.

    You make this about Obama by wanting him to show it AGAIN.
    I'm making this about every candidate, regardless of their party.

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    , ya got me. I guess I officially gave up my right to argue in this thread.

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