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    Roddy Beaubois, DeShawn Stevenson, Tim Thomas, Matt Carroll and Greg Buckner.

    Why do I mention these name? Glad you asked.

    These are players picking up a check from the Mavs whom didn't see one-minute, not one-minute of court time. The Mavs used an 8-man rotation while the Spurs used 10.

    Now ask yourself: Of the 5 mentioned players, how many would be less useful to a team than Mason and Bogans are now and have proven to be for the last half of the season?

    The fact that this is a legitimate question just goes to show how the thought of Temple isn't so far fetched. I mean, you first think, "The kid's a rookie straight out of the D-League. The playoffs just aren't a time for him." (Sorry, if it sounds familiar) But when you look at who's seeing minutes in front of him and the recent track record of the two, it's hard to rationalize not playing him.

    Is Temple a better offensive player than Bogans? Looks to be.

    Is Temple a better defensive player than Bogans? Probably not, but it's closer than you'd think. (For all the jokes of Bogans and all the he takes, I actually like the guy. When he's right and the matchup's right, he can have a real positive impact on the defensive end. And if he didn't play so uneven on the defensive end and if he could shoot the 3 at a 40% clip, he'd be a really nice asset. But if my uncle wasn't to be confused for my aunt, you wouldn't think he was gay. He hasn't looked to be right since the ankle injury; his physicality might be the best option available for a guy like Butler -- given Malik won't be playing -- but it's not a good matchup because Caron has no problem abusing shorter players and shooting contested shots; and the guy has proven time-and-time-again that his offense just isn't credible enough to be an asset if his defense isn't stellar -- which it's not.)


    Is Temple a better offensive player than Mason? This year's Mason? Yes, at least he has been in his time here. He's shooting 44% (28-64) from the floor to Mason's 39% (193-496). He's shooting 43.5 from the 3 (10-24), while Mason's shooting 33% (88-264). The sample size is small but the recent play shows that Temple has been more of an asset to the team. (If Mason isn't knocking down the 3, what exactly does he bring to the table that is appreciably better than what Temple's shown?)

    Is Temple a better defender than Mason? Sorry, I felt it necessary to at least ask. Temple hasn't played the type of defense that made him a name at LSU or even what I saw from him during preseason with the Rockets, that could explain the significant offensive strides (his focus may have shifted to improving that facet), but he's still a more active, uesful and versatile defender than Mason.

    So, should Temple see the court at this time of year and against this caliber of opponent? Absolutely not; but that hasn't prevented Mason and Bogans from playing.

    It's actually a pretty sad commentary that a team who started with championship aspirations, and probably still clings to them, is having to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find help. But it is what it is ... and Temple's the best they've got. It's time to play all (*cough* Blair *cough*) of the best they've got . . .

    I agree with your points on Bogans most of all. He is useful as a defensive presence and doesn't get the credit sometimes. As long as he stays focused and avoids the dumb fouls.
    Replacing Mason in the lineup withe Temple seems to make sense and is worth the gamble. If the kid continues to show the poise he did in his last 5 games, then you have a better ball handler and passer. His defense is definitely an upgrade.
    I like Mason, right up until the last 3 months. His confidence, stroke or luck is just not there and without that deadly shooting, he loses value quickly.

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    Hunker down you hairy Dawgs! romad_20's Avatar
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    This morning in an interview (1300 The Zone) Bill Schoening said that Temple was suffering from flu-like symptoms Sunday when asked why he didn't see the floor. I didn't hear anything about that from anyone else. Does anyone know if that's true?
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    Not to pick on semantics, but Thomas has been out dealing with a family issue for more than half the season, Carroll only plays in garbage time and Buckner wasn't on the roster this season. Roddy will play in certain situations (that I don't know if Rick has figured out yet) and Stevenson will more than likely get some burn, mainly as a defender. But I guess to accompany your discussion, that makes the Mavs rotation even smaller than the 8 you mentioned.
    I'm aware of that. The point was the quality of player the Spurs are putting on the court compared to what the Mavs didn't choose to play or have available. As a Maverick fan, where exactly would you see Mason and Bogans in their rotation? Would they even dress in front of Beaubois, Stevenson, Thomas and Carroll? That's the point. (And the Mavs ran an 8-man rotation in Game 1, which is what I was alluding to.)

    This morning in an interview (1300 The Zone) Bill Schoening said that Temple was suffering from flu-like symptoms Sunday when asked why he didn't see the floor. I didn't hear anything about that from anyone else. Does anyone know if that's true?
    That'd actually be great news if it's true; there'd be hope for him to play when right (and not the usual DNP-youngness).

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    Jesus Christ I hate Keith Bogans.

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    If Temple doesn't start, HIll can't go and Pop inserts TP then wouldn't it be to the Spurs best interest to go back to a similar lineup just prior to TP's injury? That means TD, Dice, Bogans, TP and ???? Mason at the 2? This is a clusterf**k to me. I really don't want RJ and TP paired together since I haven't seen any real chemistry between them. Hill's injury really has thrown the rotations out the window. And as most believe Pop will leave Hairston on the bench for next year. TJastel is right about not having too many options at this point.

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    Spurs don't really have any other options if Temple chokes and can't handle the pressure of a big playoff game.
    He's been getting high marks for poise so far.

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    The fact that he was defiant with regards to being injured after the game and openly admits to not being healthy now, leads me to believe one of two things:

    1.) His pride wouldn't allow an an excuse and/or he didn't want to cop to any kind of weakness that could be exploited.

    2.) He flaked, freaked the out, and he and the Spurs are doing a bit of damage control when it comes to the media. (i.e: Yeah, he's hurt. Game-time decision.)
    Naw, I think he either: 1) wanted the playing time so bad, he downplayed his injury to avoid being benched; 2) his confidence lead him to overestimate his ability to overcome/compensate for his injury.

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    This morning in an interview (1300 The Zone) Bill Schoening said that Temple was suffering from flu-like symptoms Sunday when asked why he didn't see the floor. I didn't hear anything about that from anyone else. Does anyone know if that's true?
    I hope that is true.

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    Hill to play in tonight's Game 2

    "I think we're probably going to go with him," Popovich said, "unless he falls over in his room or trips over an end table, or something."

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...ts_Game_2.html

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    Good freaking news.

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    Hill might still need 3-4 days of rest for those tendons to be 100% and not prone to buckling under pressure...no way I'd play him tonight but i guess we will see if Pop's latest gamble pays off.

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    Hill might still need 3-4 days of rest for those tendons to be 100% and not prone to buckling under pressure...no way I'd play him tonight but i guess we will see if Pop's latest gamble pays off.
    He needs alot more than 3-4 days to get back to 100%...Tendons take a long time to heel and probably require the summer to completely heel. The spurs need him and even at 75% is a better option than bogans or temple..

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    Hill might still need 3-4 days of rest for those tendons to be 100% and not prone to buckling under pressure...no way I'd play him tonight but i guess we will see if Pop's latest gamble pays off.
    Unless Hill re-injured the ankle in game 1, which there is no evidence of, than hill has had a week since stepping on the camera man. If his ankle is fine he should play. I think he just needs to get some confidence.

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    if Hill is playing (and able to play well) this is great for the Spurs. the Spurs offense doesnt work with Parker n' RJ both in there. gotta have 2 3-point threats on the perimiter to keep the offense spread out. if you look back at last game, sure, there were careless mistakes that resulted in turnovers, but a big part of that was the offensive clutter. that's why unless the Spurs plan on never having Parker and RJ out there at the same time for years to come, one of them is gone next season, preferably RJ, to a guy that can spot up and shoot.

    i wouldn't mind seeing Hill/Manu/Garret out there at some point. it's small but all those guys can hit the 3. or Parker/Manu/Garret.

    any lineup w/o Parker and RJ in there together, basically.

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    Mason and Bogans are pathetic. Anything is better than those two. Go Temple!!


    As for Hill, that's why God invented cortizone shots. Hill can heal over the summer.

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    Mason and Bogans are pathetic. Anything is better than those two. Go Temple!!

    Wise words from a wise man..

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    Hill to play in tonight's Game 2

    "I think we're probably going to go with him," Popovich said, "unless he falls over in his room or trips over an end table, or something."

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...ts_Game_2.html

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    Spurs desperately need Hill. Mason and Bogans should never see another minutes. I don't care who else sees the time, those two should never play again.

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    Is Garrett Temple even active?

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    yes, he was active Sunday to.

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    That's right . . . Malik is out.

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    Unless Hill re-injured the ankle in game 1, which there is no evidence of, than hill has had a week since stepping on the camera man. If his ankle is fine he should play. I think he just needs to get some confidence.
    This seemed to go unnoticed by many on the board, but Hill went down and grabbed his ankle early in the third before Pop pulled him for good. He clearly tweaked it again. You talk about re-injuring it, but it doesn't sound like it ever fully healed in the first place.

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    I don't see a problem with running with the hot hand... Temple had a good series of games. Give the boy a try.

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    temple>mason tonight. do it pop

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