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Let's compromise and call him "the Eigenvector".
As bad as he sucks, he should change his nickname to "The Matrix 3". I thought "The Matrix" was a pretty good movie...
as far as i'm concerned they can keep him and and his ugly ass jumper...
Let's compromise and call him "the Eigenvector".
Of course, that would have opened up a max slot by not trading for Jefferson and not re-signing Manu. Not that I think the Spurs would have gotten anything decent in free agency when competing with cities like New York, Miami, Chicago, and possibly Brooklyn.
How about The Kernel?
Marion would have been a much better fit for the Spurs.
Hes not a good shooter, but he runs the floor well, rebounds and plays defense.
But 5 years was waaaay too long of a contract to give a player who has always relied on his athleticism. Especially when there was virtually no market for him.
Sounds too military.
The Nullspace?
Too glass half empty.
they both suck
Seriously though ... Marion is a great fit with the Mavs because they needed somebody to guard Carmelo (and maybe Kobe and Lebron).
I think year 4 and 5 will be quite brutal with Marion but to be honest the Mavs will most likely be rebuilding in 3 years or so, so i'm not quite sure i care about having a bad contract when youre not competing for anything.
Unless Dampier lands us Lebron or Wade in the summer LOL.
Would it matter if Marion was on the Spews and Jefferson was on Mavs?
Hindsight's 20/20, Art Garcia, former Fort Worth Star-Telegram Mavericks beat writer.
It would make more sense to me if his le read "Mavs spurn deal for Jefferson".Garcia: Mavs spur deal for Jefferson
Wrong. They are pretty much dead even in every major statistical category. As bad as Jefferson has been from three, Marion is worse. Jefferson has had more pressure to perform than Marion as well. I still say the Spurs got the better player and I hope RJ proves me right tonight.
Marion turned our defense around and held stars well below their season averages. Marion was better than in every way this season.
Yeah, yeah the article makes a few interesting points, but I can't help but question, how easily you can re-write it (to favour RJ) if RJ had 7pts and Marion 4 --in which case Spurs win!
Its premature to state one as failure and the other as successful based on the outcome of one game where both players didn't play any good.
Marion played a bit better than RJ, but so did Dirk over TD, Kidd over TP and the list goes on...
I still think RJ was the better deal at that time. You can't foresee the future --Marion being available. And even though Marion seems to be a better fit in the spurs system, I still think the fact that RJ has an expiring contract next year, makes me believe that once we move to the second round. RJ will be viewed as a success, and it would be much easier to replace him over the summer.
With the way the lakers are playing, TP, Manu, Hill, Dice, TD, Blair, Bonner w.o Mason, RJ, will be a scary team to deal with, if we add guys like splitter, draft pick and free agents.
The way I see it, we took our chances with RJ, it didn't quite work, but we still have one the best teams in the NBA and we are in good position to further improve our team this summer.
The Mavs, not so much. They are loaded right now, and everything but a ring, will be considered a failure. I just don't see them being as good next year, regardless.
+1....Plus, as bad as RJ has been, Marion has been even worse than RJ this season..
I'd rather have RJ overpaid for one more season than Marion overpaid for four more seasons.
You and everyone else greatly overrate his defense...
As others have stated, the contract length is the great equalizer here. Jefferson will either get traded or will be gone by the end of next year...while the Mavs will begin the 2012-13 season with a 34 year old Marion that has 2 years and 18 million left on his contract. Did I mention he has a 15% trade kicker?
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/04/20/h....html?rss=true
2009-10 NBA Defensive Player of the Year presented by Kia Motors | Results
PLAYER TEAM 1st Place (5 Pts) 2nd Place (3 Pts) 3rd Place (1 pt) Total Points
Dwight Howard Orlando 110 8 2 576
Josh Smith Atlanta 3 34 19 136
Gerald Wallace Charlotte 1 29 21 113
LeBron James Cleveland 4 11 8 61
Rajon Rondo Boston 1 13 11 55
Ron Artest Los Angeles Lakers - 7 8 29
Andrew Bogut Milwaukee 1 2 12 23
Thabo Sefolosha Oklahoma City 2 1 7 20
Anderson Varejao Cleveland - 5 3 18
Dwyane Wade Miami - 2 7 13
Marcus Camby Portland - 3 4 13
Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers - 1 6 9
Shawn Marion Dallas - 2 2 8
Tim Duncan San Antonio - 2 1 7
Shane Battier Houston - 1 2 5
Andrei Kirilenko Utah - 1 1 4
Arron Afflalo Denver - - 1 1
David Lee New York - - 1 1
Ben Wallace Detroit - - 1 1
Brendan Haywood Dallas - - 1 1
Matt Barnes Orlando - - 1 1
Kendrick Perkins Boston - - 1 1
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute Milwaukee - - 1 1
Kenyon Martin Denver - - 1 1
Last edited by jack0fspeed; 04-21-2010 at 05:23 PM.
Mavs fans don't have any idea of what defense is, so they think Marion is great.
I doubt the Spurs will be able to move him this summer. Teams dont usually trade for expiring "cost cutting" deals until around the trade deadline.As others have stated, the contract length is the great equalizer here. Jefferson will either get traded or will be gone by the end of next year...while the Mavs will begin the 2012-13 season with a 34 year old Marion that has 2 years and 18 million left on his contract. Did I mention he has a 15% trade kicker?
The Mavs have a starter in hand that they are happy with and who's contract they wrote.As others have stated, the contract length is the great equalizer here. Jefferson will either get traded or will be gone by the end of next year...while the Mavs will begin the 2012-13 season with a 34 year old Marion that has 2 years and 18 million left on his contract. Did I mention he has a 15% trade kicker?
The Spurs have a rental starter who's only trade value is as an expiring contract.
If RJeff's expiring can be used to acquire a starter level player, then maybe someday we can argue about who got the best deal.
Today, there's no argument. Marion is the better deal.
Wow, thats just so bad...
Marion is a great fit to the Mavs. His contract is ok, the 5th year was a signing gift/bonus and will be then an expiring contract to use. I see Dirk until 35+ in Dallas and honestly i can see Kidd playing 3-4 years more. He will be able to have 3 more nice years like this year. I remember everyone ripping Kidds new 3/25 deal as too long and big.
The Mavs were desperatly in need for a versatile good defender (check), good rebounder (check), able to run the fastbreak with Kidd (check), cut to the basket (check), cleaning up garbage points (check).
They didnt want the Suns Marion standing at the perimter jacking up threes or demanding the ball and touches to score 20+. They exactly wanted from Marion the things Marion delivered this season.
But of course if you just see boxscores you probably think that Sefolosha sucks and shouldnt start anywhere in the NBA
RJ on the other hand just sucked most of the time and didnt FIT into the spurs team...
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