Garcia: Mavs spur deal for Jefferson, wait pays off with Marion

[benefactor]

I doubt the Spurs will be able to move him this summer. Teams dont usually trade for expiring "cost cutting" deals until around the trade deadline.

Probably not...but regardless he will be off the books after next season.

The Mavs have a starter in hand that they are happy with and who's contract they wrote.

The Spurs have a rental starter who's only trade value is as an expiring contract.

If RJeff's expiring can be used to acquire a starter level player, then maybe someday we can argue about who got the best deal.

Today, there's no argument. Marion is the better deal.

I'm sure they will be just as happy in 2012 when RJ is a distant memory and the still owe Marion 18 million...an 18 million that they won't be able to move.

[ohmwrecker]

Wow, thats just so bad...

Marion is a great fit to the Mavs. His contract is ok, the 5th year was a signing gift/bonus and will be then an expiring contract to use. I see Dirk until 35+ in Dallas and honestly i can see Kidd playing 3-4 years more. He will be able to have 3 more nice years like this year. I remember everyone ripping Kidds new 3/25 deal as too long and big.

Yes. You're right. That is a bad contract.

The Mavs were desperatly in need for a versatile good defender (check), good rebounder (check), able to run the fastbreak with Kidd (check), cut to the basket (check), cleaning up garbage points (check).They didnt want the Suns Marion standing at the perimter jacking up threes or demanding the ball and touches to score 20+. They exactly wanted from Marion the things Marion delivered this season.

But of course if you just see boxscores you probably think that Sefolosha sucks and shouldnt start anywhere in the NBA

RJ on the other hand just sucked most of the time and didnt FIT into the spurs team...

I agree. The Mavs did not need as much from Marion as the Spurs needed from Jefferson. Struggles aside, The Spurs are actually getting what they expected out of Jefferson. Maybe not as consistently as they would like, but he is filling a role. When he isn't playing PF, he is good on the boards, a good defender and is, usually the 3rd or 4th best scorer on the team. When RJ is aggressive he is better than Marion. The problem is, he defers too much.
No, I don't just rely on box scores. I was responding to the person who said Marion was better in every way with some facts.

[sefant77]

Probably not...but regardless he will be off the books after next season.

I'm sure they will be just as happy in 2012 when RJ is a distant memory and the still owe Marion 18 million...an 18 million that they won't be able to move.

Shouldnt you wait until 2012 to see if Marion is done with 34 I doubt it.

Bottom line Mavs will pay 39 million for 4 years great fitting versatile Marion on the roster and having him another year as expiring.

Spurs will pay 29 million for 1 year of sucking, leaving the roster with the hole they thought they filled and 1 year as expiring...

Whats better? Of course RJ

W

[elbamba]

Marion sucks. He cannot defend for crap. I love it when they and the Suns used to put him on Parker. RJ might have been a mistake, but Marion will be a mistake for another 5 years. Dallas always hands out overrated players bloated contracts. See Dampier, Van Horn. Shawn Bradley, Howard, etc...

[sefant77]

Marion sucks. He cannot defend for crap. I love it when they and the Suns used to put him on Parker. RJ might have been a mistake, but Marion will be a mistake for another 5 years. Dallas always hands out overrated players bloated contracts. See Dampier, Van Horn. Shawn Bradley, Howard, etc...

So the entire Mavs organization was blind the whole year about Marion and his influence for the Mavs game. I see. He was a major mistake

Ah and Marion doesnt play with the Suns anymore. He has now actually help in defense and can play even better team defense.

Talking about bad contracts, Ginos last year gonna hurt plenty. He should be done then too.

[MannyIsGod]

The Matrix has been great for Dallas. Jefferson obviously hasn't.

What? From where I'm sitting Jefferson has been absolutely phenomenal for Dallas.

[MannyIsGod]

What are you talking about? Jefferson was phenomenal for Dallas in game 1.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Should have finished the thread before replying. It was so ing obviously easy.

[DPG21920]

What are you talking about? Jefferson was phenomenal for Dallas in game 1.

What? From where I'm sitting Jefferson has been absolutely phenomenal for Dallas.

[Big P]

They'd have been about $5 million under the cap, which is less than the MLE. Hence, not trading for Jefferson and re-signing Manu for what he was signed to would have not given the Spurs a cent more to spend this summer.

Thats what I was thinking..thanks BB

[crc21209]

mavs fans don't have any idea of what defense is, so they think marion is great.

+1

[elbamba]

So the entire Mavs organization was blind the whole year about Marion and his influence for the Mavs game. I see. He was a major mistake

Ah and Marion doesnt play with the Suns anymore. He has now actually help in defense and can play even better team defense.

Talking about bad contracts, Ginos last year gonna hurt plenty. He should be done then too.

Obviously my use of the word "used" implied that in the past the Suns would use him in that capacity, the Tony stopper. Of course, it usually meant TP would go for 35 and 7 on 50% shooting.

Gino, arguably the best player in the NBA for the past 11/2 months signed a three year deal. You guys will be stuck with Marion for 4 more years. While Manu has been injury prone, when he plays, he is one of the best players in the NBA and despite the fact that he was supposed to be too old to play this year, he continue to defy the odds. Marion looks to old too play today. He might have a couple of put backs but his defense is overrated. Marion has not mattered for about 3 years now, why do you think the Suns were so happy to get rid of him...because he is overrated.

[sefant77]

Honestly do you think it matters at all if Marion gets 5 or 8 million a year? Mavs need him and his contract wont stop Cuban from making other expensive trades.

So its not a big topic. Marion was a player type the Mavs were desperatly in need to get and they got him. I give a crap about Suns Marion and overrated or not.

I like Mavs Marion, he was all year really important for the Mavs (and really no one can decline that) and we all can live with his contract. Other owner blow their money with the 5th house and the 3rd boat, Cuban does it with his hobby and doesnt care about LT.

[da_suns_fan]

Obviously my use of the word "used" implied that in the past the Suns would use him in that capacity, the Tony stopper. Of course, it usually meant TP would go for 35 and 7 on 50% shooting.

Gino, arguably the best player in the NBA for the past 11/2 months signed a three year deal. You guys will be stuck with Marion for 4 more years. While Manu has been injury prone, when he plays, he is one of the best players in the NBA and despite the fact that he was supposed to be too old to play this year, he continue to defy the odds. Marion looks to old too play today. He might have a couple of put backs but his defense is overrated. Marion has not mattered for about 3 years now, why do you think the Suns were so happy to get rid of him...because he is overrated.

He WAS over-rated. They used to group him with the "best all around players in the league" category. He got a few third place MVP votes etc.

No one thinks hes that good anymore. The reason I thought the Mavs screwed up is that they gave Marion a great contract considering there was no one else going after him. Giving Marion 5-39 sounds like something Cuban used to do in the early 2000s.

[rayray2k8]

Hmmm. How about we wait till the playoffs to see who sucks more?

[benefactor]

Shouldnt you wait until 2012 to see if Marion is done with 34 I doubt it.

You are right. There are 34 yr old ultra athletic forwards that have been in the league for 16 seasons falling out of trees.

Bottom line Mavs will pay 39 million for 4 years great fitting versatile Marion on the roster and having him another year as expiring.

I'm sure I mentioned a 15% trade kicker...maybe I didn't.

Spurs will pay 29 million for 1 year of sucking, leaving the roster with the hole they thought they filled and 1 year as expiring...

Whats better? Of course RJ

W

Oh the RJ deal is bad...there is not disputing that. But it will only be bad for a short time. With no knowledge of the new CBA, the Mavs locked themselves into a back loaded, long term deal that they will eat every penny of. Short term consequences>moderate short term benefit with long term consequences.

[sefant77]

Why is a tradekicker important in his last year?

And i remember all that talking about Kidd being done and slow in 2008.

[benefactor]

Why is a tradekicker important in his last year?

Because any team that takes him will have to eat an extra 1.4 million to take him. The even worse problem is that a trade kicker counts for 15% of the remaining amount on the contract. So if he does start to break down early...like in 2011-2012...that is going to be a pretty big, immovable number.

And i remember all that talking about Kidd being done and slow in 2008.

Did you just compare Shawn Marion to Jason Kidd?

lol.

[benefactor]

lol Marion
lol stuck with a playoff choker
lol 4 more years
lol untradeable

[TDMVPDPOY]

there was still plenty of players on the market they couldve gone after

like jax or maggette

[TheProfessor]

Hmmm. How about we wait till the playoffs to see who sucks more?

[Cry Havoc]

Jefferson > Marion

Seriously, at least RJ scores OCCASIONALLY in a set offense.

lol Marion missing the most open shot of the game (well aside from Hill's layup, but GH3 made up for that in spades).

lol Shawn "clamps" Marion

lol huge acquisition

lol half-court offense

lol Marion

[LoneStarState'sPride]

"Clamps"

ROFLMFAO

[santymrc]

Where are the Mavs fans to defend Marion? Hahahahaha

[Spurtacus]

lol The Matrix

[DPG21920]

Marion played fine imo. It was not his fault the Mavs lost.