Manu Ginobili

[jdev82]

Mavs were the best road team in the NBA this year. I like our chances of stealing one in SA.

at this point, i think that if SA wins both, we will win easily in 5 or 6, but if the mavs win one in SA, it will go 7 games and whoever the best team is will win.

[dirk4mvp]

How did game 2 go for the Mavs, got?

Sup, Omar.

[ezau]

Sup, Omar.

[Kobulingam]

What the f is this sup omar business.

[mingus]

Manu a bad defender?

obviously anyone who says this is talking out of their ass. he has good lateral quickness and great hands. h'es by no means an elite defender, but he's well above average. anybody who calls him a "terrible" defender has a terrible understanding of his game.

[namlook]

Manu is better than Kobe currently.

Manu is healthier than Kobe right now but he is not better and never has been.

+1

I know people hate PER, but PER...supports this.

Uh, no. It doesn't translate that way. You can't compare PER for a player that rarely leaves the floor to one that plays a reduced role. Kobe is at 39 minutes this season and often has been playing over 40 minutes a game in a season. Manu plays 10 minutes less per game. That's a big difference.

Lets see what Manu's PER would look like if he was logging 39 minutes a game in a season. Manu's PER would take a big hit if he was playing heavy minutes like the superstars and that's if he could even stay healthy enough to see the floor. Pop tries to keep him fresh and as healthy as possible by cutting his minutes. A fresh and rested player has better opportunities to play at peak efficiency.

And even playing reduced minutes he hasn't been able to stay healthy. So if he can't stay healthy playing reduced minutes there's no way he can possibly maintain his level of play at 39 minutes a game. Manu is a great player in the role he plays when he's healthy but he's not in the Kobe/Wade category. It's a fantasy to think he could perform like Kobe and Wade logging superstar minutes over a season. He would break down and his efficiency would tank.

[Mr.Robinson]

Manu is healthier than Kobe right now but he is not better and never has been.



Uh, no. It doesn't translate that way. You can't compare PER for a player that rarely leaves the floor to one that plays a reduced role. Kobe is at 39 minutes this season and often has been playing over 40 minutes a game in a season. Manu plays 10 minutes less per game. That's a big difference.

Lets see what Manu's PER would look like if he was logging 39 minutes a game in a season. Manu's PER would take a big hit if he was playing heavy minutes like the superstars and that's if he could even stay healthy enough to see the floor. Pop tries to keep him fresh and as healthy as possible by cutting his minutes. A fresh and rested player has better opportunities to play at peak efficiency.

And even playing reduced minutes he hasn't been able to stay healthy. So if he can't stay healthy playing reduced minutes there's no way he can possibly maintain his level of play at 39 minutes a game. Manu is a great player in the role he plays when he's healthy but he's not in the Kobe/Wade category. It's a fantasy to think he could perform like Kobe and Wade logging superstar minutes over a season. He would break down and his efficiency would tank.

You do know players that play less minutes get injured as well. One ploay is all it takes. What's this bull about he can't even stay healthy playing 30 minutes a game?

[NickiRasgo]

manu, most overrated player in league history, great only in the minds of argie fan

you people make me laugh, caron butler >> manu

Yeah your right, the 57th Pick in 1999 NBA Draft is overrated. And the 10th Pick in 2002 NBA Draft is better.

[DaDakota]

He is a great player, I would have loved for him to sign in Houston and play alongside Luis...nice job by the Spurs FO of locking him up for 3 more years.

DD

[TheManFromAcme]

Manu never ceases to amaze me. This is "dangerous Manu".
WC is now put on notice. Should the Spurs get passed by Dallas (and all indications show they should) they will be dangerous to everyone.

I've been a private Manu fan for years. Love his game, style and hustle. Nice job Gino!

[Giuseppe]

Manu never ceases to amaze me. This is "dangerous Manu".
WC is now put on notice. Should the Spurs get passed by Dallas (and all indications show they should) they will be dangerous to everyone.

I've been a private Manu fan for years. Love his game, style and hustle. Nice job Gino!

They'd still be a fine match for us, Acme. We can account for everybody there, and we've won there.

[TheManFromAcme]

They'd still be a fine match for us, Acme. We can account for everybody there, and we've won there.

Agreed.

Manu is still the heart and soul of this team G. Am licking my chops to meet with them for a classic rumble.

I am just glad (through the eyes of a fan who loves the game) to see them at this point. They were always built for better.

[Giuseppe]

I am just glad (through the eyes of a fan who loves the game) to see them at this point. They were always built for better.

Agreed. They were beautiful last night: Pop shuffling players in precise cadence. He never failed himself or his "children"///Duncan's release near invisible, like pure magic. You had to watch the tv screen to pick it up///Manu ahead of the game by multiple seconds///"Dice" finding his splendid once & again.

It was a treat.

[Booharv]

Uh, no. It doesn't translate that way. You can't compare PER for a player that rarely leaves the floor to one that plays a reduced role. Kobe is at 39 minutes this season and often has been playing over 40 minutes a game in a season. Manu plays 10 minutes less per game. That's a big difference.

Lets see what Manu's PER would look like if he was logging 39 minutes a game in a season. Manu's PER would take a big hit if he was playing heavy minutes like the superstars and that's if he could even stay healthy enough to see the floor. Pop tries to keep him fresh and as healthy as possible by cutting his minutes. A fresh and rested player has better opportunities to play at peak efficiency.

And even playing reduced minutes he hasn't been able to stay healthy. So if he can't stay healthy playing reduced minutes there's no way he can possibly maintain his level of play at 39 minutes a game. Manu is a great player in the role he plays when he's healthy but he's not in the Kobe/Wade category. It's a fantasy to think he could perform like Kobe and Wade logging superstar minutes over a season. He would break down and his efficiency would tank.

But when Manu's on the floor, he's better. That's what you're saying right?

[namlook]

But when Manu's on the floor, he's better. That's what you're saying right?

That's like saying that the backup center that shoots 60% is better than Wilt Chamberlain.

[jestersmash]

That's like saying that the backup center that shoots 60% is better than Wilt Chamberlain.

So you're saying Kobe is like wilt chamberlain, and ginobili is some "back up center" that shoots 60%

How's having a wilt chamberlain caliber player working out for yall this postseason so far?

[namlook]

So you're saying Kobe is like wilt chamberlain, and ginobili is some "back up center" that shoots 60%

How's having a wilt chamberlain caliber player working out for yall this postseason so far?

I'm saying you can't compare efficiency stats for player who plays a reduced role with reduced minutes to a superstar and perennial 1st team all-nba player who sees a lot more floor time.

[jestersmash]

So let's say hypothetically, and this is strictly hypothetical - Kobe had a PER of about 19 and Ginobili had a PER of about 30 for the post season so far.

Let's say hypothetically Kobe is averaging 41 minutes per game while Ginobili is averaging 36.5 minutes per game.

You're saying - if Kobe played 4.5 minutes less per game, his PER would increase by 50%?

Of course none of this is exactly relevant because the numbers are just hypothetical, of course. I think Kobe has a postseason PER of like 50 or 60 while Ginobili's PER is like 2. I'm just ball parking the numbers, though.

[ezau]

namlook=moron

[namlook]

So let's say hypothetically, and this is strictly hypothetical - Kobe had a PER of about 19 and Ginobili had a PER of about 30 for the post season so far.

Let's say hypothetically Kobe is averaging 41 minutes per game while Ginobili is averaging 36.5 minutes per game.

You're saying - if Kobe played 4.5 minutes less per game, his PER would increase by 50%?

No I'm not saying any of that. I said what I said.

namlook=moron

Coming from you that's a compliment. If you called me brilliant I'd be very worried.

[ezau]

Coming from you that's a compliment. If you called me brilliant I'd be very worried.

How did Game 3 between the Fakers and Thunder pan out for Kobe?

[namlook]

How did Game 3 between the Fakers and Thunder pan out for Kobe?

If I were you I'd be more worried about the Spurs prospects than what Kobe does.

[Halberto]

namlook, based on health and performance CURRENTLY... who is the better player?

[ezau]

If I were you I'd be more worried about the Spurs prospects than what Kobe does.

KD has Kobe's number and if I were a Laker fan, I would be worried. Did you see him shut down Kobe when it matters? That's a very bad sign for the Laker goat. Truth is, Kobe has to deal with an ultra-long and athletic Durant, while trying to figure out how to play with his supposed injuries. How did game 3 pan out again for the Lakers again?

[namlook]

KD has Kobe's number and if I were a Laker fan, I would be worried. Did you see him shut down Kobe when it matters? That's a very bad sign for the Laker goat. Truth is, Kobe has to deal with an ultra-long and athletic Durant, while trying to figure out how to play with his supposed injuries. How did game 3 pan out again for the Lakers again?

Isolated sequences of plays in a game or losing a game are unimportant as long as the series is won. As I said you should be more worried about the Spurs surviving round one than what Kobe and the Lakers are doing.