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    Joey flying to SA overnight? People keep talking like it's a given...he's in fine form in Charlotte right now, so he might be too tired to ref tomorrow.
    oh that's weird, i thought i saw it on espn.com somewhere. maybe i was just seeing things then.

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    Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous that refs like Dan and Joey are still allowed to officiate in games where they've shown an obvious dislike for one of the teams involved. Stern is living in his "best officials in all of sports" bubble and won't do the right thing by keeping refs who let their personal feelings about a team influence them away because that would be admitting there is a problem. He'd rather just blame the players and coaches for brainwashing us into not seeing how great we've got it.

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    This is hilarious, it's like if Mason was ing after a game, I mean without those 7 intentional FT's it's just about even in san antonio it's no secret this is a jump-shooting team cause their a bunch of pussies look nitwitski=pussy gayson terry=pussy Gay kidd=pussy afraid to drive or shot now and on and on.

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    Being outside of the restricted area doesn't automatically make it a charge. You have to be set, which Bonner was not. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure he had a foot on the line, although it's moot, since he was moving.

    Don't get me wrong, refs up all the time with calls like that. I was just laughing because Bavetta made this over-exaggerated motion calling it, and the reaction from the entire Mavs team was priceless.
    Go cheer for dallas

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    He should have been called for a flagrant on Tim when he pushed him in his lower back. He didn't make a play for the ball. That kind of foul can up a player's back.

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    Which ed up call? If you are talking about Bonner's charge, he was indeed outside the restricted area, at least that is what I saw and what the commentators said in the replay.
    I think it was a call that could go either way. I thought that the Jefferson charge on Kidd was BS in the first half as well as the technical against Hill. Calls have to be made and when its a toss up, someone is going to be mad. The Spurs have lost plenty of calls.

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    Being outside of the restricted area doesn't automatically make it a charge. You have to be set, which Bonner was not. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure he had a foot on the line, although it's moot, since he was moving.

    Don't get me wrong, refs up all the time with calls like that. I was just laughing because Bavetta made this over-exaggerated motion calling it, and the reaction from the entire Mavs team was priceless.
    It could have gone either way, which is why there's not a lot of sense in arguing those kinds of calls. I'd prefer they just make it a block 90 percent of the time to encourage people to go for the shot block instead. That said, there are a dozen cases in every loss where the Mavericks and their fanbase seem to think they're owed a call and it suddenly becomes the reason they lost. I guess they'd go 98-0 right to a championship every year if it weren't for those damned officials.

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    "When we play defense we're under a magnifying glass, but when we're on offense, there's no magnifying glasses," Dampier said. "You've got to call it both ways. Dirk Nowitzki drives, he doesn't get fouled. They drive on the other end and they get the little ticky-tack fouls. So keep it consistent, that's all. Don't be one way or the other."

    "Hey, we ain't going to make any excuses. We're going to be ready to play the next game, that's all that matters to us. The next one, biggest game of the year."


    Wait a second...you ain't making excuses? It sounds to me like that is exactly what you are doing.

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    He should have been called for a flagrant on Tim when he pushed him in his lower back. He didn't make a play for the ball. That kind of foul can up a player's back.
    talk about intentional push in the back, watch terry and manu


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    Look, it's pretty obvious. Mavs got the better end of the stick Game 1, hands down. And please stop bringing up "hack a damp" as a way to suggest that the entire free throw disparity can be accounted for just from that.

    Game 2 was standard blowout, the better team that day certainly won (Spurs).

    Game 3, I'm not gonna lie - refs favored the spurs for this game, and when the game was as close as it was, this sort of thing matters.

    As far as ref favoritism goes, it's 1-1 mavs-spurs at the moment, thanks in large part due to dan crawford.

    But now, for game 4, we've got the "other" crawford coming in, and the Mavericks will have their chance for being helped by the refs. Joe crawford is, and always has been, bad news for the spurs.

    So in truth, I don't think spurs or mavs fans are in any position to and moan about officiating, it's even so far with all indication that dallas will be getting the next referee boost in game 4.
    I take issue with your theory. Refs favoring a team makes a differnece when you lose by 6 points and take 20 less ft. Maybe 14 if you want to exclude the intentional fouls.

    When its a close game and you shoot 4 more free throws, not including intentional ones, the impact isn't felt as much. The Mavs have shot poorly in every game. Even in game one they did not shoot well. Mavs have been destroyed by like 40 points in the paint. Where do most fouls occur? In the paint. The spurs have been more aggressive, they have played better defense (for 24 sec violations in one game is unheard of), and have shot the ball better. That is why they are up by 2-1. Had the Spurs not had so many stupid turnovers in game one, the ft advantage would not have mattered and they would have one that game. Cut down 5 turnovers in that game and the Spurs win, I have no doubt of that.

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    I just don't think Dan Crawford should ever ref a playoff game with the Mavs. Every time he does there is questionable officiating against the Mavs. We are 1-17 with him reffing.
    Y'all are re s. There are two reasons you're now sitting at 1-17 in Dan Crawford officated games.

    First (and let's be honest, the real reason) is that Dan lets teams play physical. Mavs rely so much on FT shooting so when you've got a guy letting them play, that negates a rather large advantage the Mavs enjoy most of the time.

    Second, your dumbass owner started making a big deal out of this stat when the Mavs were like 0-5 in games reffed by Crawford. Since then, it's become a self-perpetuating legend, based largely on the fact that the Mavs as an organization are now conditioned to not even expect to have a chance to win when he calls a game for them.

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    Dampier shouldn't be pissed. The Mavs are the underdogs in the series.

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    I take issue with your theory. Refs favoring a team makes a differnece when you lose by 6 points and take 20 less ft. Maybe 14 if you want to exclude the intentional fouls.

    When its a close game and you shoot 4 more free throws, not including intentional ones, the impact isn't felt as much. The Mavs have shot poorly in every game. Even in game one they did not shoot well. Mavs have been destroyed by like 40 points in the paint. Where do most fouls occur? In the paint. The spurs have been more aggressive, they have played better defense (for 24 sec violations in one game is unheard of), and have shot the ball better. That is why they are up by 2-1. Had the Spurs not had so many stupid turnovers in game one, the ft advantage would not have mattered and they would have one that game. Cut down 5 turnovers in that game and the Spurs win, I have no doubt of that.
    Good post.

    Anyone have the numbers on the "points in the paint" disparity between the two teams? If anything, the Spurs should have shot twice as many free throws as the Mavs, and yet the FTA are almost dead even.

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    Note to Dampier: Enjoy your game off. It's coming.

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    I hope Stern is a man of his word for a change. Didnt think it would take a day to put a test to his latest edict.

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    That being said I'd rather they force Marion to play. He's pretty much the spurs 7th man.
    Exactly. I want Marion playing. Owning his ass just seems to fire the Spurs up.

    Interesting to see if Stern steps up to back his threat. I'm really interested to see how he handles that one.

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    Shawn "The Limo Player" Marion

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    Show me a single play that an unbiased observer would say was definitely a bad call.

    The charge call Dampier's complaining about was declared "good call" by Hubie, who's only been coaching in the league for 87 years and doesn't have a dog in this fight. Also on replay Bonner is clearly outside the line.

    There are a lot of charging calls in the league this year. Everyone should know that by now. They are not letting the offense just run over the defense this year.

    Hubie also said there should have been an offensive foul called on Parker vs. Barea late in the game, but on replay, that turned out to be an attempt to defraud the refs by Barea.

    What else? There were a lot of bumps and bangs that weren't called both ways. That's just the way the game was being called.

    My other comment is as follows. THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR THE SPURS. If the Mavs are obsessed with the refs, they aren't playing like winners. If the coaches and management buy into this, they are essentially giving the team an excuse to not give everything that's needed to win.

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    second, your dumbass owner started making a big deal out of this stat when the mavs were like 0-5 in games reffed by crawford. Since then, it's become a self-perpetuating legend, based largely on the fact that the mavs as an organization are now conditioned to not even expect to have a chance to win when he calls a game for them.
    +1

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    I just don't think Dan Crawford should ever ref a playoff game with the Mavs. Every time he does there is questionable officiating against the Mavs. We are 1-17 with him reffing.

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    If Stern wants to be taken serious, he'll suspend Dampier for game 4.

    I'm not sure who the biggest whiners have been over the last 5-6 years; the Mavs, Lakers, Suns or Nuggets?

    We should do a poll.

    The Mavs have always reflected their owner's pouty at ude, no surpise there. Cuban encourages the victim iden y in every interview he gives. Perennial losers always come armed with an excuse.

    Back when D'Antoni and the Suns were Pop's es year after year, they loved to open the whine..

    George Karl complained about Ginobili throughout an entire series once.

    And Phil Jackson wrote the book on criticizing referees. You can tell Phil's confidence is at an all time low this year because he started selling it before the first game of the playoffs.

    My vote would go to Dallas though. For some reason, they have this odd sense of en lement even though they've never accomplished a damn thing.

    I never understood that.

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    Y'all are re s. There are two reasons you're now sitting at 1-17 in Dan Crawford officated games.

    First (and let's be honest, the real reason) is that Dan lets teams play physical. Mavs rely so much on FT shooting so when you've got a guy letting them play, that negates a rather large advantage the Mavs enjoy most of the time.

    Second, your dumbass owner started making a big deal out of this stat when the Mavs were like 0-5 in games reffed by Crawford. Since then, it's become a self-perpetuating legend, based largely on the fact that the Mavs as an organization are now conditioned to not even expect to have a chance to win when he calls a game for them.

    thats not it at all. But anyone can type standard bull down.

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    Just stating facts. Nothing compared to you after game one

    I already said its not the refs fault we lost.

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    You would figure that now that Stern has issued the warning to players/coaches to shut up about the officials or risk getting suspended they would, and instead....we got players doing it even more now. Leave it to a couple of dumbass Mavericks to do it..

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    Let's hope he get suspended. Then there is absolutely no one that can guard Tim. Not that anyone on the Mavs could guard him anyway....especially on Tims Birthday..

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