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Damn Atlanta getting beat down.
i meant with calls going their way
Damn Atlanta getting beat down.
did you not see my quote last night? i can call kori ing ellis in here to vouche for me about our conversation about dirk's leadership
in a nut s , dirk is a great player but an average leader. underrated in so many ways, yet just doesn't inspire those around him to elevate their play. the team rises and falls with whether or not his shot is falling. i've made no secrets about this.
but he gives it his all, and i don't hold that against him, so how about stepping off nash's nuts?
No, he should simply give the ball up earlier in the possession and not dominate it till there are 5 seconds left on the clock.
Even so, the very nature of an assist seems to imply otherwise. As far as dominating the ball, do you feel he should give it up early in the clock, and if so to who? Doesn't that fall more on the structure of the offense and the team's dependency on his playmaking ability?
People always associate assists with unselfishness when some of the most selfish players in NBA history put up good assist numbers. Stephon Marbury led the league in assists one year, are you saying he's not selfish.
Seeing that no one on Portland can guard Amare in the post, idk why he got no touches in the post.
isn't that the coach's fault just as much as it is nash's?
whoever stopped him from calling a timeout, drawing up a play, and screaming POUND THE ING BALL INTO AMARE!!!??
He got them when Dragic was in, I remember the commentators saying the Suns are "force feeding" him. He got them from Nash too later, just maybe not as much.
There are lots of examples of guys playing selfishly to pad their assists. Kevin Porter back in the 70s was one of the first. Stevie Franchise and Starbury did it to some extent. Basically you overdribble and don't give up the rock until it looks like somebody has a shot. The problem is that it kills ball movement and "hockey assist" team basketball.
Not necessarily saying that's what Nash does.
Stephon, I can understand from the standpoint that passing is secondary to him with regard to his penetration, but Nash is pretty unselfish. He's forced to shoot when teams don't want to get drilled on the other end of a pnr and sag off of him or when a team is helter skelter in getting back into transition.
If you're Amare, and you feel you have a good matchup, you have to communicate that with Nash and Gentry and make sure you get attempts in the post. Any dominant big would do the same.
Nash doesn't dominate the ball nearly as much as Marbury did, or as TJ Ford does today. A better example of a marquee PG who's ball dominant is TJ Ford.
The problem with Nash today was that he was making bad decisions reacting to Portland's switching on ballscreens. Had the same problem before in this series.
A bigger issue for Phoenix was that doubling LMA + Miller wasn't as effective. Roy playing makes this series a bit more interesting.
Stockton too. He was an extremely selfish ball player.
sob was hoarding assists and all the dirty
Exactly. And it cost his team legit chances at the le. Countless times he'd drive to the rim, and then fire back out 20 feet for an uncontested jumper. And commentators would rave about it.
Cubby hit it on the knob. People see a white guy who gets a lot of assists and they assume unselfish. Nash and Stockton are both examples of a guy putting their stats before the team.
You guys have interesting takes on Stockton and Nash. Different, I'll give you that.
So dominating the ball when you should be working it around and looking for an assist isn't selfish? The only way to be selfish is shooting?
How is it that these awesome teammate, "pass first", high assist point guards never do jack in the playoffs?
Don't really care for that Nash guy do you, lol.
If the Suns have an issue with him working the pnr then they should address that, but no one's complaining when it's working. No one complains when Nash is looking downcourt for an easy transition opportunity for his teammates.
I am because those high risk high reward gamble passes end up in unforced turnovers. I've been complaining about this bull transition offense for some time now, if it were up to me Nash would get traded and the Suns would transition to a half court defensive team.
That's the offense the team runs with the personnel they have. If you want to transition out of that bring in a new regime.
I could bet my truck on this series going seven.
Last edited by DAF86; 04-24-2010 at 08:30 PM.
Great game for Portland today. As far as Nash, he got outplayed. The idea of him ever being a b2b MVP is looking more and more ridiculous with a little hindsight.
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