Mavs Offseason Talk

[4>0rings]

Hey, what's up man! When are we ordering the pizza? Don't do delivery, I'll go pick it up!

[Ghazi]

in sports, every once and a while you get a really good player, talented, etc..

who just CANNOT GET IT DONE when it counts. He is a great player that is "missing" something.

Every sport has these type of players.

Dirk is one of them. You will never win a ring with him as the centerpiece.

Deron probably can't get it done either

Neither can Melo

Neither can Bogut

Neither can Al Jefferson

Neither can Roy

Neither can a load of players not named Lebron or D-Whistle or Duncan (back in the day) or Kobe or prime Shaq or maybe Durant.

So what's your point? Trade him for one of those players? Are they available?

A lot of teams are trying to win a le with a franchise player who probably isn't good enough to win a le... it's their only choice since you can count the players who ARE good enough with a few fingers.

[8FOR!3]

Dirk Nowitzki for Matt Bonner straight up? Both have choked in the playoffs, but Bonner hit more threes in the regular season. I'm not suggesting we actually play Dirk though, let him sit on the bench and watch how the real men do it.

[MiamiHeat]

Deron probably can't get it done either

Neither can Melo

Neither can Bogut

Neither can Al Jefferson

Neither can Roy

Neither can a load of players not named Lebron or D-Whistle or Duncan (back in the day) or Kobe or prime Shaq or maybe Durant.

So what's your point? Trade him for one of those players? Are they available?

A lot of teams are trying to win a le with a franchise player who probably isn't good enough to win a le... it's their only choice since you can count the players who ARE good enough with a few fingers.

I disagree about Roy and Melo

Melo comes up big in the 4th, putting the Nuggets on his back and very clutch with his shots. There was debate in the NBA world on Melo's clutch stats, which proved him to be the most clutch player in the NBA.

Problem with the Nuggets last year is they can't ing inbound the ball. TWICE. That's not Melo's fault. I believe Melo will win a ring before his career is over.

while the Mavericks have everything they need in 06, 07, and now 2010, but when the 4th quarter comes, Dirk just never shows up and can't put on a display to will his team to victory.

The dude is a career choker. Yeah you look at the stat sheet, and say, damn he played good! Yeah, in the first 3 quarters, but what about the 4th quarter - the final few minutes, when the game is on the line? Where is he then? NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

When the opposing team has momentum, and is fired up, Dirk just can't rise to the challenge and beat them back down.

[Phillip]

what the

did you close your eyes while Jason Terry single-handedly kept the Mavs in the game in the 4th quarter?

thanks to dirk drawing double and triple teams and finding him. what im talking about is someone that can take the ball, create their own shot, and score consistently. not someone who is a streaky shooter that sometimes hits big shots, but lately has been known to miss them a lot more frequently.

[Shank]

I disagree about Roy and Melo

Melo comes up big in the 4th, putting the Nuggets on his back and very clutch with his shots. There was debate in the NBA world on Melo's clutch stats, which proved him to be the most clutch player in the NBA.

Problem with the Nuggets last year is they can't ing inbound the ball. TWICE. That's not Melo's fault. I believe Melo will win a ring before his career is over.

while the Mavericks have everything they need in 06, 07, and now 2010, but when the 4th quarter comes, Dirk just never shows up and puts on a display to will his team to victory.

The dude is a career choker.

When the opposing team has momentum, and is fired up, Dirk just can't rise to the challenge and beat them back down.

You're in the vast minority with this thinking. But whatever floats your boat, man.

[Rogue]

parker for dirk straight up

off

[MiamiHeat]

You're in the vast minority with this thinking. But whatever floats your boat, man.

probably.

dirk puts up good stats in the first 3 quarters, and then plays passive team ball in the 4th quarter. He doesn't really hurt his team, so it's easy to avoid blaming him.


Problem is, if you want to become a real champion, a winner, you have to make the clutch plays, on defense, on offense, rising to the challenge and willing your team to a victory, so there is no doubt who the ing man is right now.

Dirk just has never done that. He's just ...passive... is a good word.

He will retire without a ring, pretty damn sure. another one of those "great players" who just doesn't have that special "it"

[Rogue]

LMAO @ ALL you GOTS thinking MAVS SEASON DONE. THE HOPE IS STILL THERE even at 1-3, simply the MAVS just need to win 3 games in a ING row to blot the SPURS the OUT, something SPURS ALREADY got done in the past 3 ING games.

[mavsfan1000]

it's ing plain as day

Nowinski is a vastly overrated player. He puts up some stats, but when the 4th quarter comes, HE ING CHOKES.

Did you ing watch this series? Dirk is the only one doing anything for the mavs. The rest of the team are old s. Roddy would've helped some but Carlisle hates him.

[badfish22]

probably.

dirk puts up good stats in the first 3 quarters, and then plays passive team ball in the 4th quarter. He doesn't really hurt his team, so it's easy to avoid blaming him.


Problem is, if you want to become a real champion, a winner, you have to make the clutch plays, on defense, on offense, rising to the challenge and willing your team to a victory, so there is no doubt who the ing man is right now.

Dirk just has never done that. He's just ...passive... is a good word.

He will retire without a ring, pretty damn sure. another one of those "great players" who just doesn't have that special "it"

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

and before you say "lol regular season" Dirk has done more in the playoffs than Melo by far.

[Rogue]

probably.

dirk puts up good stats in the first 3 quarters, and then plays passive team ball in the 4th quarter. He doesn't really up his team.

Problem is, if you want to become a real champion, a winner, you have to make the clutch plays, on defense, on offense, rising to the challenge and willing your team to a victory, so there is no doubt who the ing man is right now.

Dirk just has never done that. He's just ...passive... is a good word.

He will retire without a ring, pretty damn sure. another one of those "great players" who just doesn't have that special "it"

Which clearly shows you didn't even watch the game. It's fair to say it was in the 3rd quarter that the Mavs choked and ed up their chance to win this game. With 11pts up over Spurs, you were well able to play the game as you want, and the game would be easy to win if a double-digit gap was maintained to the 4th quarter.

Problem is they are coached by a moron and comprises 14 chokers not named Dirk. Dirk always plays fine and he's the only Mav with such consistency. YOU CAN'T WIN WITH such a bundle of chokers coached by such a moron.

[DPG21920]

Oh, hi Stretch. Did not see you there.

[monosylab1k]

Out of all the realistic scenarios, this is the most ideal -

Damp for Iggy in a pure salary dump move by Philly. Roddy moves into backup PG role. Terry's minutes get cut drastically.

Let's see if Donnie/Mark/Rick are as smart as I am. They've already screwed things up this bad, so it's unlikely.

[MiamiHeat]

Did you ing watch this series? Dirk is the only one doing anything for the mavs. The rest of the team are old s. Roddy would've helped some but Carlisle hates him.

I saw Jason Terry single handedly keep the Mavs in the game tonight.

didn't matter

In the 4th quarter, Dirk had 5 points. Five.

He shot 1-5 FG's, 0-1 3pt 4 reb 2 ast

[redzero]

Dirk should have taken more shots in game 3. Watching Terry chuck a 3 every possession down the stretch was painful to watch.

[MiamiHeat]

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

and before you say "lol regular season" Dirk has done more in the playoffs than Melo by far.

You said it yourself.

Regular season.

67-15 in 2007.

How'd that work out in the playoffs?

[Rogue]

in sports, every once and a while you get a really good player, talented, etc..

who just CANNOT GET IT DONE when it counts. He is a great player that is "missing" something.

Every sport has these type of players.

Dirk is one of them. You will never win a ring with him as the centerpiece.

it's absolutely NOT DIRK's ING FAULT to hire a MORON as your headcoach. Malone had a good coach and John Stockton, and it's fair to say that Utah Jazz deserved a ring and they only failed to do so because their got some misfortune to live in the same era with Jordan.

[Shank]

Out of all the realistic scenarios, this is the most ideal -

Damp for Iggy in a pure salary dump move by Philly. Roddy moves into backup PG role. Terry's minutes get cut drastically.

Let's see if Donnie/Mark/Rick are as smart as I am. They've already screwed things up this bad, so it's unlikely.

I still don't trust Roddy as a PG as of yet. He's worked well out of the 2 thus far, but maybe he'll progress in the offseason.

In your scenario, you'd still have an issue with where to play Butler and Marion. Someone has to go.

[Shank]

You said it yourself.

Regular season.

67-15 in 2007.

How'd that work out in the playoffs?

And here goes this vicious circle.

[Rogue]

Out of all the realistic scenarios, this is the most ideal -

Damp for Iggy in a pure salary dump move by Philly. Roddy moves into backup PG role. Terry's minutes get cut drastically.

Let's see if Donnie/Mark/Rick are as smart as I am. They've already screwed things up this bad, so it's unlikely.

Yes I believe the triple morons are exactly smart as you are, but unfortunately no one on the 76er's side is a re . They will ram Brand in any deal that drains Iggy off Philly and I think there should be other teams willing to gulp Brand's contract.

[DPG21920]

Hey BadFish. Nice to see you.

[monosylab1k]

I still don't trust Roddy as a PG as of yet. He's worked well out of the 2 thus far, but maybe he'll progress in the offseason.

In your scenario, you'd still have an issue with where to play Butler and Marion. Someone has to go.

I trust Roddy at PG. I didn't see him make alot of terrible passes. Yeah, he's definitely more of a shoot-first PG, but in some way's that's worlds better than "get a wide open three, don't take it, pass it, get another wide open three, hesitate, don't take it" approach of Kidd.

Roddy doing his thing is still better than watching JJ Barea wave off Dirk and try to drive through 3 defenders.

And tbh I don't see how Caron/Marion don't work together well. They seemed to work together just fine in the 1st half as the Mavs had a big ass lead. Then getting separated/not played in the 2nd half and the Mavs were stagnant and ty.

[dbestpro]

Dirk is a fantatic player. Part of the Mavs problem lies with the owner. He allows players to make excuses for not rising to the occasion and most often it is the officials. He fired Avery because he demanded too much from the players. Carlisle can be the man, but Cuban needs to understand that defense wins championships. Some how, some way, the mavs need to become a defense first team and the blame for anything else than victory lies with the team that lost.

[DPG21920]

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

and before you say "lol regular season" Dirk has done more in the playoffs than Melo by far.

Yeah for moral victories! Sound familiar?